[Scale-planning] [Tech] Event Wifi Sponsored

SCALE Planning List scale-planning at lists.linuxfests.org
Sun Jun 19 19:16:40 PDT 2016


I forgot to mention that there were also about 160 VLANs configured on the 
equipment.

David Lang

On Sun, 19 Jun 2016, David Lang wrote:

> We had 40ish switches with 120ish APs and 20+ raspberry pi systems in Tech.
>
> AV also had a couple dozen Pis and other cameras, video capture equipment, 
> etc.
>
> It sounds like you would like to take the Tech Chair position and have Ubnt 
> come in and do everything that the volunteers have done in the past.
>
> That's an option to consider, but it's a very drastic change from what we've 
> had in the past. This would be up to the Scale chairs to decide that they 
> wanted to go with an all-commercial service instead of using the volunteers 
> (I say up to the Scale Chairs rather than up to Tech because this would 
> essentially be replacing Tech)
>
> We have had companies try to come in and run parts of things in the past, it 
> has not gone well. I got called in to do wifi for the first time after a 
> vendor backed out a month before the show (after trying and failing to 
> provide wifi the prior year)
>
> Scale has a well-earned reputation for providing the best network experience 
> to attendeed of any conference, including the all-commercial ones. They have 
> a very high bar to meet.
>
> see this Linux Action Show report from two years ago (about the 1:20 mark) 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXvGbEYeWp0
>
> David Lang
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2016, Zach Underwood wrote:
>
>> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 21:23:47 -0400
>> From: Zach Underwood <zunder1990 at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: tech at lists.linuxfests.org
>> To: tech at lists.linuxfests.org
>> Cc: SCALE Planning List <scale-planning at lists.linuxfests.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech] [Scale-planning] Event Wifi Sponsored
>> 
>> Let's have a call. I need to get a rough count of the hardware that is
>> needed to make sure that ubnt will support such a large network, but ubnt
>> does like the idea of supporting SCALE2017 to make a case study out of it.
>> 
>> Ubnt's and my hope is to make the network hardware all ubnt unifi line from
>> the APs, switches and routers. This will give us full access to all POE
>> gigabit switches, 10gbit uplinks and all POE wireless AC APs. The whole
>> system will be centrally controlled by the unifi software.
>> 
>> This is the example of the type of documentation that I did for SELF2016:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wb0XxbTMdrKJOujZM_3AeM6phN3wrS2AfDbGLg3jinQ/edit?usp=sharing
>> 
>> Here is the start of the documentation for SCALE2016, it still needs a lot
>> of work.
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Sz8ACRvItlzsZBaIC-7Em-D8iUg2QQkteaM72F2BL-I/edit?usp=sharing
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 9:04 PM, David Lang <david at lang.hm> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, 19 Jun 2016, SCALE Planning List wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have heard back form Ubiquiti and have gotten buy in from them for
>>>> SCALE2017. I am working on the high level design for network to get idea
>>>> of
>>>> what gear we would need.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please dont' design the network without talking to the rest of us.
>>> 
>>> Here is the best map of the site that I could find
>>>> http://pasadenacenter.visitpasadena.com/facility/
>>>> I have some questions
>>>> 
>>>> On the schedule from scale14x I see that ballrooms I and J was used but
>>>> cant find them on the map.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> they are above the D and E sectiosn of the ballroom
>>> 
>>> For exhibit hall was hall A and B used?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> yes, everything
>>> 
>>> Do i see that right that rooms 101-105 have airwalls between them?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> they can, this last year we had 101/102 103 104/105 (three spaces)
>>> 
>>> What room was used for command/staff
>>>> What area was used for noc?
>>>> You said in a early email that pre-wired drops was used to connect to the
>>>> rooms. How many mdf/idf was used? What was the connect between them.
>>>> Is it too early or have you all picked out what rooms will be used?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> last year we were still unsure of what rooms would be used for what a
>>> month before the show.
>>> 
>>> the wiring closet info is part of what we are going to have to discover.
>>> We have fiber between the two building, and copper within the buildings. 
>>> We
>>> put our own equipment in all of the wiring closets (the only part of the
>>> stock network we used was the in-wall wiring and the router to the outside
>>> world. Everything else was ours.
>>> 
>>> David Lang
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 10:35 AM, SCALE Planning List <
>>>> scale-planning at lists.linuxfests.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Zach,
>>>>> 
>>>>> We'd love to have you on board. I see that you have signed up to the 
>>>>> tech
>>>>> list. That's a great place to start.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We sure can appreciate some new blood and a different perspective to the
>>>>> networks at Scale.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bala.
>>>>> bala at socallinuxexpo.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:34 PM, SCALE Planning List <
>>>>> scale-planning at lists.linuxfests.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey folks --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm sitting out here on the periphery of this discussion (mainly 
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> I'm more into the audio stuff :), but I did want to throw out some
>>>>>> "scale"
>>>>>> (haha) on the networking effort, since I was involved in a good portion
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> it this past year.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It was interesting to me to see how it all came together, how the
>>>>>> diagrams laid out everything, where the equipment was staged, etc.
>>>>>> Clearly,
>>>>>> someone spent a lot of time planning out things, right down to the
>>>>>> length
>>>>>> of specific cable runs needed in each room on each wall. There was a
>>>>>> TON of
>>>>>> networked gear to distribute and connect. Even if (for the moment) you
>>>>>> discount the internet access points, there was still a lot of work 
>>>>>> going
>>>>>> into cabling, devices, placement, testing, taping, replacing bad gear,
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>> Add back in the connection of AP's and it was about double the effort I
>>>>>> just mentioned.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Zach, I love the idea of a vendor-supported internet option, but I 
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> highly recommend that you talk to some of the folks who laid out gear
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> year and get their input to understand the tremendous work effort that
>>>>>> went
>>>>>> into this on the day before the event. I have huge respect for everyone
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> stuck it out into the wee hours of the morning just to make sure it
>>>>>> worked
>>>>>> the next day.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I came in early on Wednesday to help out. I got there in the afternoon,
>>>>>> and I worked until pretty much midnight (let's say, easily, 6 hours)
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> laying out the networking for the AP's (i.e., not including the cameras
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> pods). And I was one of a team of 6-8 people that night, I believe.
>>>>>> Simply
>>>>>> laying out the cabling took a while, and that's literally just laying
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> of it on the floor according to diagram. Then the AP's were placed and
>>>>>> balanced, making sure that they were under chairs, that the matching
>>>>>> network cables reached, that the correct ports were used, that they 
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> near power outlets or extension cords, and so on. And finally -- what I
>>>>>> think was the WORST part -- comes the taping down of the cabling and
>>>>>> power
>>>>>> conduits. That took 3-4 people another maybe 2-3 hours just for that 
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> aspect. And dozens of gaff tape rolls. Tape was everywhere, including
>>>>>> under
>>>>>> moveable doors and panels, along walls, under chairs, across audio
>>>>>> cables,
>>>>>> on stages, etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I had to take an educated guess, I'd venture that the cabling and
>>>>>> placement of AP's probably took 45-50 man hours. Not kidding. Most of 
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> were also trained network admins, so this wasn't like pulling 
>>>>>> uneducated
>>>>>> folks off the street; we knew what we were doing, and it still took 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> long. Your comment about "*All that needs to be done at the show is
>>>>>> place and connect all of the hardware*" is what I'm referring to here:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> about 50 hours of work for JUST THAT. Nothing else. :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, while I applaud the enthusiasm and excitement (and especially the
>>>>>> volunteerism!), please keep in mind that this one single aspect of the
>>>>>> show
>>>>>> is a HUGE undertaking. If you go into this and gain a sponsor, you're
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> going to need a big crew, extremely well-placed and planned diagrams,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> an organized and inventoried stock of cabling and parts. I completely
>>>>>> agree
>>>>>> with Ilan on this -- your help is very welcome and appreciated, but
>>>>>> please
>>>>>> go into this knowing it's going to be a huge effort.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just my $0.02 anyhow.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bruce Bergman
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2016-06-18 18:45, SCALE Planning List wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Zach,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Excited to see you're so passionate about building out the SCALE
>>>>>> network.
>>>>>> We'd love to have you on board on our volunteer team.  Lets sync up and
>>>>>> come to consensus on a plan before reaching out to sponsors.  We have a
>>>>>> great deal of hardware that we own already and we should get on the 
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> page before we make external requests, especially since many of the
>>>>>> hardware vendors sponsor us in other ways at the moment.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll defer to the current Tech Chair, who is Bala,  on timing but lets
>>>>>> schedule a meeting soon. We're just hitting the time of year where we'd
>>>>>> normally kick off our event planning for 2017.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I believe Bala is traveling this weekend, but I'll add you to the tech
>>>>>> list shortly and we can continue discussing how you can best help the
>>>>>> team.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks again for wanting to make scale awesome.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Ilan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ilan Rabinovitch
>>>>>> Conference Chair
>>>>>> Southern California Linux Expo
>>>>>> 877-831-2569 x110 Voice
>>>>>> 818-442-1865 Mobile
>>>>>> ilan at linuxfests.org Email
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Ask me about sponsorship and speaking opportunities at LinuxFests.org's
>>>>>> upcoming events:
>>>>>> DevOps Days SV -  June 24-25, 2016 - Mountain View, CA
>>>>>> Texas Linux Fest - July 8-9, 2016, Austin TX
>>>>>> SCALE 15x - March 2-5, 2017 - Pasadena, CA
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 3:50 PM, SCALE Planning List <
>>>>>> scale-planning at lists.linuxfests.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ok now I have a good idea of the size of the network and will go to the
>>>>>>> two sponsors to make sure I have there buy in.
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 6:49 PM, "SCALE Planning List" <
>>>>>>> scale-planning at lists.linuxfests.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016, SCALE Planning List wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Oh and any documents of network layout from last year.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> mostly these only exist as paper copies. With all the resignations in
>>>>>>>> Tech after last year (at least 4 significant contributers, including
>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>> Chairs), I am about the only one with even a reasonably good idea of
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> things were setup. Anything else would involve reverse engineering
>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>> from the configs. The better approach is to discuss what we want to
>>>>>>>> do with
>>>>>>>> the people interested in the design level of things (ideally in
>>>>>>>> person, a
>>>>>>>> whiteboard is really desirable for this sort of work), and then setup
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> year's plan from that.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I believe that I am the only person left who had the router password
>>>>>>>> for this least year, and I never logged into one.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> David Lang
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 4:35 PM, "SCALE Planning List" <
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> scale-planning at lists.linuxfests.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> What type and speeds of 2016 internet connection?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> What type of APs used in 2016?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> How many concurrent connected devices were there during 2016?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> What was the cabling like? In ceiling, run along walls on the 
>>>>>>>>>> floor,
>>>>>>>>>> pre-wired drops back to idf/mdf?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> What type of switches were used in 2016?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Can I get a cad drawing/detailed floor layout of the location?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Was the network used for things other than wifi and video 
>>>>>>>>>> recording,
>>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>>> as, vendors, registration desk, staff or anything else?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> What was the peak lan usage in mbps?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Total cable length ran in 2016?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 4:25 PM, SCALE Planning List <
>>>>>>>>>> scale-planning at lists.linuxfests.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Zach,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your interest in helping with SCALE's network and
>>>>>>>>>>> streaming
>>>>>>>>>>> needs.  I'm coping a few folks that can help answer your 
>>>>>>>>>>> questions,
>>>>>>>>>>> and let
>>>>>>>>>>> you know where planning stands for 2017 and 2018.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Bala copied here is the interim tech chair, between him, David who
>>>>>>>>>>> replied a little bit ago, and myself we  can help share our 
>>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>>> plans
>>>>>>>>>>> and let you know where we might need help.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> In terms of streaming Michael Proctor, also copied here, leads our
>>>>>>>>>>> A/V
>>>>>>>>>>> team which normally run our live streaming and session recordings.
>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>> record the sessions using IP cameras, and have most of the editing
>>>>>>>>>>> automated via some software they've written. I'm sure they'd love 
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>> with either the automation tooling or staffing our cameras.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to working with you on SCALE 15x.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Ilan Rabinovitch
>>>>>>>>>>> Conference Chair
>>>>>>>>>>> Southern California Linux Expo
>>>>>>>>>>> 877-831-2569 x110 Voice
>>>>>>>>>>> 818-442-1865 Mobile
>>>>>>>>>>> ilan at linuxfests.org Email
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>> Ask me about sponsorship and speaking opportunities at
>>>>>>>>>>> LinuxFests.org's
>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming events:
>>>>>>>>>>> DevOps Days SV -  June 24-25, 2016 - Mountain View, CA
>>>>>>>>>>> Texas Linux Fest - July 8-9, 2016, Austin TX
>>>>>>>>>>> SCALE 15x - March 2-5, 2017 - Pasadena, CA
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 7:19 AM, SCALE Planning List <
>>>>>>>>>>> scale-planning at lists.linuxfests.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Can I get the contact info for Stu so I can ask some question of
>>>>>>>>>>> him?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 1:18 AM, SCALE Planning List <
>>>>>>>>>>>> scale-planning at lists.linuxfests.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016, SCALE Planning List wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope that this is the right place for this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been asked to reach out the SCALE to see if you all are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help with live streaming, event networking, Wifi or internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just finished up doing the South East Linux Fest (SELF) Wifi 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contacted by Ubiquiti (a hardware maker) and another company
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Altispeed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.altispeed.com/> about sponsoring the networking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SCALE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As an example of the event networking I have done, here is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the SELF2016 network:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Stories/SouthEast-Linux-Fest-2016/cns-p/1590779
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is some information about what we've done in the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.usenix.org/conference/lisa12/technical-sessions/presentation/lang_david_wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.usenix.org/publications/login/april-2013-volume-38-number-2/wireless-means-radio
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This last year we deployed about 110 access points around the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> show.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Conference center provides the Internet connection, and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid them to allow us to run everything else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is an opening for them to sponsor some of this. We can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> definantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use help setting up and running things. At the moment, we don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be replacing Stu as the person setting up and running the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> network for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the show. Michael Proctor-Smith is going to be running the AV
>>>>>>>>>>>>> group, so he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be continuing to spearhead the streaming effort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current plan is to select the new Tech Chair in a month or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Lang
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
>>>>>>>>>>>> My website <http://zachunderwood.me>
>>>>>>>>>>>> advance-networking.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
>>>>>>>>>> My website <http://zachunderwood.me>
>>>>>>>>>> advance-networking.com
>>>>>>>>>> 
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