In an effort to be more open, SCALE has decided to move some of the discussion (planning - doh) for SCALE 7x to the SCALE-planning list.
Here are our first thoughts on the number and type of session tracks we're contemplating for SCALE 7x in February. - Note that the "lab tutorial" track that Shyam mentions below was tried last year as the Education track's hand-on lab; we're considering formalizing it in some way. - Note #2 - the CFP that Shyam mentions is the "Call For Papers; the solicitation for proposals for talks.
We'd appreciate your input on the tracks and possible content for them.
Caveat - what we want and what we can get frequently diverge - nothing said here will be cast in stone. But thanks in advance for your comments.
Regards, Orv --------------------------------- Orv Beach, SCALE Publicity Chair orv@socallinuxexpo.org 805-551-3008 (cell)
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Scale-chairs] S7X Speaker Tracks - quantity & type? Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:07:41 -0700 From: shyam n kapadia shyamkapadia@gmail.com Reply-To: scale-chairs@maggie.socallinuxexpo.org To: scale-chairs@maggie.socallinuxexpo.org References: 487264A5.4040204@socallinuxexpo.org
Hi Orv,
Sorry just got back from my vacation last night so am still catching up on my email etc. From the sounds of it, looks like we might end up having quite a few speaker tracks so far. Just from memory, it seems like we will have
3 main tracks (as usual) 1 beginner track 1 developer track 1 lab tutorial track (??)
So I am assuming that we will have enough space for the above 6 tracks (or at least 5 if we leave the lab track). Having said that, my thinking was along the lines of having one CFP with information about the above, say 3 main tracks + developer track and then have a separate CFP for the beginners track (generally we get a lot of submissions for this one). I'll send out a rough draft of the same in the next couple of days.
.
Thanks,
Regards, Shyam
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Orv Beach orv@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
Shyam, what are you thoughts on the number of speaker tracks we'll have next February, and the content of those tracks? I'd like to get this discussion going, as Gareth and I are considering some things that might mesh well with a beginner's track, if we have one.
Thanks.
Orv _______________________________________________
As Orv mentioned we are considering adding both a developer track as well as a formal beginner track to this year's conference.
What type of content would you be interested in seeing in these types of tracks? Is there something you believe SCALE content has been missing over the years?
Orv Beach wrote:
In an effort to be more open, SCALE has decided to move some of the discussion (planning - doh) for SCALE 7x to the SCALE-planning list.
Here are our first thoughts on the number and type of session tracks we're contemplating for SCALE 7x in February.
- Note that the "lab tutorial" track that Shyam mentions below was tried
last year as the Education track's hand-on lab; we're considering formalizing it in some way.
- Note #2 - the CFP that Shyam mentions is the "Call For Papers; the
solicitation for proposals for talks.
We'd appreciate your input on the tracks and possible content for them.
Caveat - what we want and what we can get frequently diverge - nothing said here will be cast in stone. But thanks in advance for your comments.
Regards, Orv
Orv Beach, SCALE Publicity Chair orv@socallinuxexpo.org 805-551-3008 (cell)
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Scale-chairs] S7X Speaker Tracks - quantity & type? Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:07:41 -0700 From: shyam n kapadia shyamkapadia@gmail.com Reply-To: scale-chairs@maggie.socallinuxexpo.org To: scale-chairs@maggie.socallinuxexpo.org References: 487264A5.4040204@socallinuxexpo.org
Hi Orv,
Sorry just got back from my vacation last night so am still catching up on my email etc. From the sounds of it, looks like we might end up having quite a few speaker tracks so far. Just from memory, it seems like we will have
3 main tracks (as usual) 1 beginner track 1 developer track 1 lab tutorial track (??)
So I am assuming that we will have enough space for the above 6 tracks (or at least 5 if we leave the lab track). Having said that, my thinking was along the lines of having one CFP with information about the above, say 3 main tracks + developer track and then have a separate CFP for the beginners track (generally we get a lot of submissions for this one). I'll send out a rough draft of the same in the next couple of days.
.
Thanks,
Regards, Shyam
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Orv Beach orv@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
Shyam, what are you thoughts on the number of speaker tracks we'll have next February, and the content of those tracks? I'd like to get this discussion going, as Gareth and I are considering some things that might mesh well with a beginner's track, if we have one.
Thanks.
Orv _______________________________________________
Scale-planning mailing list Scale-planning@mail.socallinuxexpo.org http://mail.socallinuxexpo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/scale-planning
Group,
I'm a huge fan of the beginner track idea. It's something that I feel should not only appear at SCALE, but should be incorporated into monthly LUG meetings. I think a lot of people would like to get their feet wet, but don't know how/where to start.
What I would like to see in each are:
Developer Track - Java - Apache - Tomcat - PHP - Java ;-) - a discussion of mono and its use in open source software - Separate desktop and web tracks?
Beginner Track - bash - package management - intro admin
All of the above would be specifically geared towards Linux.
Just my two cents.
Jason
---- Ilan Rabinovitch ilan@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
As Orv mentioned we are considering adding both a developer track as well as a formal beginner track to this year's conference.
What type of content would you be interested in seeing in these types of tracks? Is there something you believe SCALE content has been missing over the years?
Orv Beach wrote:
In an effort to be more open, SCALE has decided to move some of the discussion (planning - doh) for SCALE 7x to the SCALE-planning list.
Bravo! This is fantastic.
3 main tracks (as usual) 1 beginner track 1 developer track 1 lab tutorial track (??)
So in the past the "main" tracks tended to fall into categories, even if unofficial. In recent years there was usually one that tended towards desktop, one that tended towards kernel/sysamdin/low-level and one that was all the other stuff. Patterns vary for different years.
So how do you see the "3 main tracks?" I can tell you that with the exception of Stormy Peter's talk, my favorite talks are always pretty close to the kernel. At the original SCALE some of you probably remember that despite being very busy as the technical chair and "power balancer," I made very sure I got to see Robert Love's talk on the 2.5 kernel. Andrew Morton's two talks were amazing. The Zumastor talk 2 years ago was a particular highlight. Checkpoints, containers and live migration was a great one this year. Of course some of the devel ones are also on my favorites list: the parrot talk. And by definition anything SA I'm interested in such as Puppet.
But you don't care about my personal interests, so I'll get to the real point. I think it's very important to not just distinguish between "areas" like desktop, devel, user, SA. I think it's also important to distinguish between low level and high level. Lots of high level talks are available at lots of LUGs and conferences. One of my favorite things about SCALE has always been the fact that there's always some extremely low-level talks as well. Something that digs deep into something and doesn't assume you know nothing about it. These talks aren't for everyone, but neither are the overview-type talks.
So, for example, a "developer track" seems like a "low level" track, but if it's "comparing the three big P languages" that could be at a very high level suitable for newbie programmers ("perl is good at string manipulation and python has a more traditional OO approach with a more mature OO feature set", etc.), or it could be very low-level ("perl's internal regex compiler works like this...").
So I think it's very important not to just split up by category but also to ensure that a certain percentage of talks across various tracks are at a very low level for that track. For example, a desktop track may dig deep into the various RPC and message bus systems that various desktop environments use, how they work, and the pros and cons. That's much more low level than your "what's new in Ubuntu" talk. Both talks are important though.
So that's in general. Specifically, I recommend getting in touch with Robert Love again and Greg K-H. Both like giving talks and are fantastic at it. Andrew Morton is obviously always a favorite, although since he's been twice, perhaps hitting up Robert and Greg may be a better place to start.
Hopefully that is some useful feedback.
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