We had 40ish switches with 120ish APs and 20+ raspberry pi systems in Tech.
AV also had a couple dozen Pis and other cameras, video capture equipment, etc.
It sounds like you would like to take the Tech Chair position and have Ubnt come in and do everything that the volunteers have done in the past.
That's an option to consider, but it's a very drastic change from what we've had in the past. This would be up to the Scale chairs to decide that they wanted to go with an all-commercial service instead of using the volunteers (I say up to the Scale Chairs rather than up to Tech because this would essentially be replacing Tech)
We have had companies try to come in and run parts of things in the past, it has not gone well. I got called in to do wifi for the first time after a vendor backed out a month before the show (after trying and failing to provide wifi the prior year)
Scale has a well-earned reputation for providing the best network experience to attendeed of any conference, including the all-commercial ones. They have a very high bar to meet.
see this Linux Action Show report from two years ago (about the 1:20 mark) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXvGbEYeWp0
David Lang
On Sun, 19 Jun 2016, Zach Underwood wrote:
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 21:23:47 -0400 From: Zach Underwood zunder1990@gmail.com Reply-To: tech@lists.linuxfests.org To: tech@lists.linuxfests.org Cc: SCALE Planning List scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org Subject: Re: [Tech] [Scale-planning] Event Wifi Sponsored
Let's have a call. I need to get a rough count of the hardware that is needed to make sure that ubnt will support such a large network, but ubnt does like the idea of supporting SCALE2017 to make a case study out of it.
Ubnt's and my hope is to make the network hardware all ubnt unifi line from the APs, switches and routers. This will give us full access to all POE gigabit switches, 10gbit uplinks and all POE wireless AC APs. The whole system will be centrally controlled by the unifi software.
This is the example of the type of documentation that I did for SELF2016: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wb0XxbTMdrKJOujZM_3AeM6phN3wrS2AfDbGLg3j...
Here is the start of the documentation for SCALE2016, it still needs a lot of work. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Sz8ACRvItlzsZBaIC-7Em-D8iUg2QQkteaM72F2B...
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 9:04 PM, David Lang david@lang.hm wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2016, SCALE Planning List wrote:
I have heard back form Ubiquiti and have gotten buy in from them for
SCALE2017. I am working on the high level design for network to get idea of what gear we would need.
Please dont' design the network without talking to the rest of us.
Here is the best map of the site that I could find
http://pasadenacenter.visitpasadena.com/facility/ I have some questions
On the schedule from scale14x I see that ballrooms I and J was used but cant find them on the map.
they are above the D and E sectiosn of the ballroom
For exhibit hall was hall A and B used?
yes, everything
Do i see that right that rooms 101-105 have airwalls between them?
they can, this last year we had 101/102 103 104/105 (three spaces)
What room was used for command/staff
What area was used for noc? You said in a early email that pre-wired drops was used to connect to the rooms. How many mdf/idf was used? What was the connect between them. Is it too early or have you all picked out what rooms will be used?
last year we were still unsure of what rooms would be used for what a month before the show.
the wiring closet info is part of what we are going to have to discover. We have fiber between the two building, and copper within the buildings. We put our own equipment in all of the wiring closets (the only part of the stock network we used was the in-wall wiring and the router to the outside world. Everything else was ours.
David Lang
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 10:35 AM, SCALE Planning List < scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org> wrote:
Hi Zach,
We'd love to have you on board. I see that you have signed up to the tech list. That's a great place to start.
We sure can appreciate some new blood and a different perspective to the networks at Scale.
Bala. bala@socallinuxexpo.org
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:34 PM, SCALE Planning List < scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org> wrote:
Hey folks --
I'm sitting out here on the periphery of this discussion (mainly because I'm more into the audio stuff :), but I did want to throw out some "scale" (haha) on the networking effort, since I was involved in a good portion of it this past year.
It was interesting to me to see how it all came together, how the diagrams laid out everything, where the equipment was staged, etc. Clearly, someone spent a lot of time planning out things, right down to the length of specific cable runs needed in each room on each wall. There was a TON of networked gear to distribute and connect. Even if (for the moment) you discount the internet access points, there was still a lot of work going into cabling, devices, placement, testing, taping, replacing bad gear, etc. Add back in the connection of AP's and it was about double the effort I just mentioned.
Zach, I love the idea of a vendor-supported internet option, but I would highly recommend that you talk to some of the folks who laid out gear last year and get their input to understand the tremendous work effort that went into this on the day before the event. I have huge respect for everyone who stuck it out into the wee hours of the morning just to make sure it worked the next day.
I came in early on Wednesday to help out. I got there in the afternoon, and I worked until pretty much midnight (let's say, easily, 6 hours) just laying out the networking for the AP's (i.e., not including the cameras and pods). And I was one of a team of 6-8 people that night, I believe. Simply laying out the cabling took a while, and that's literally just laying all of it on the floor according to diagram. Then the AP's were placed and balanced, making sure that they were under chairs, that the matching network cables reached, that the correct ports were used, that they were near power outlets or extension cords, and so on. And finally -- what I think was the WORST part -- comes the taping down of the cabling and power conduits. That took 3-4 people another maybe 2-3 hours just for that one aspect. And dozens of gaff tape rolls. Tape was everywhere, including under moveable doors and panels, along walls, under chairs, across audio cables, on stages, etc.
If I had to take an educated guess, I'd venture that the cabling and placement of AP's probably took 45-50 man hours. Not kidding. Most of us were also trained network admins, so this wasn't like pulling uneducated folks off the street; we knew what we were doing, and it still took that long. Your comment about "*All that needs to be done at the show is place and connect all of the hardware*" is what I'm referring to here:
about 50 hours of work for JUST THAT. Nothing else. :)
So, while I applaud the enthusiasm and excitement (and especially the volunteerism!), please keep in mind that this one single aspect of the show is a HUGE undertaking. If you go into this and gain a sponsor, you're still going to need a big crew, extremely well-placed and planned diagrams, and an organized and inventoried stock of cabling and parts. I completely agree with Ilan on this -- your help is very welcome and appreciated, but please go into this knowing it's going to be a huge effort.
Just my $0.02 anyhow.
Thanks,
Bruce Bergman
On 2016-06-18 18:45, SCALE Planning List wrote:
Hi Zach,
Excited to see you're so passionate about building out the SCALE network. We'd love to have you on board on our volunteer team. Lets sync up and come to consensus on a plan before reaching out to sponsors. We have a great deal of hardware that we own already and we should get on the same page before we make external requests, especially since many of the hardware vendors sponsor us in other ways at the moment.
I'll defer to the current Tech Chair, who is Bala, on timing but lets schedule a meeting soon. We're just hitting the time of year where we'd normally kick off our event planning for 2017.
I believe Bala is traveling this weekend, but I'll add you to the tech list shortly and we can continue discussing how you can best help the team.
Thanks again for wanting to make scale awesome.
Regards, Ilan
Ilan Rabinovitch Conference Chair Southern California Linux Expo 877-831-2569 x110 Voice 818-442-1865 Mobile ilan@linuxfests.org Email
Ask me about sponsorship and speaking opportunities at LinuxFests.org's upcoming events: DevOps Days SV - June 24-25, 2016 - Mountain View, CA Texas Linux Fest - July 8-9, 2016, Austin TX SCALE 15x - March 2-5, 2017 - Pasadena, CA
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 3:50 PM, SCALE Planning List < scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org> wrote:
Ok now I have a good idea of the size of the network and will go to the
two sponsors to make sure I have there buy in. On Jun 18, 2016 6:49 PM, "SCALE Planning List" < scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2016, SCALE Planning List wrote: > > Oh and any documents of network layout from last year. > > > mostly these only exist as paper copies. With all the resignations in > Tech after last year (at least 4 significant contributers, including > both > Chairs), I am about the only one with even a reasonably good idea of > how > things were setup. Anything else would involve reverse engineering > things > from the configs. The better approach is to discuss what we want to > do with > the people interested in the design level of things (ideally in > person, a > whiteboard is really desirable for this sort of work), and then setup > this > year's plan from that. > > I believe that I am the only person left who had the router password > for this least year, and I never logged into one. > > David Lang > > On Jun 18, 2016 4:35 PM, "SCALE Planning List" < > >> scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org> wrote: >> >> What type and speeds of 2016 internet connection? >> >>> >>> What type of APs used in 2016? >>> >>> How many concurrent connected devices were there during 2016? >>> >>> What was the cabling like? In ceiling, run along walls on the floor, >>> pre-wired drops back to idf/mdf? >>> >>> What type of switches were used in 2016? >>> >>> Can I get a cad drawing/detailed floor layout of the location? >>> >>> Was the network used for things other than wifi and video recording, >>> such >>> as, vendors, registration desk, staff or anything else? >>> >>> What was the peak lan usage in mbps? >>> >>> Total cable length ran in 2016? >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 4:25 PM, SCALE Planning List < >>> scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Zach, >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for your interest in helping with SCALE's network and >>>> streaming >>>> needs. I'm coping a few folks that can help answer your questions, >>>> and let >>>> you know where planning stands for 2017 and 2018. >>>> >>>> Bala copied here is the interim tech chair, between him, David who >>>> replied a little bit ago, and myself we can help share our current >>>> plans >>>> and let you know where we might need help. >>>> >>>> In terms of streaming Michael Proctor, also copied here, leads our >>>> A/V >>>> team which normally run our live streaming and session recordings. >>>> They >>>> record the sessions using IP cameras, and have most of the editing >>>> automated via some software they've written. I'm sure they'd love a >>>> hand >>>> with either the automation tooling or staffing our cameras. >>>> >>>> Looking forward to working with you on SCALE 15x. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Ilan Rabinovitch >>>> Conference Chair >>>> Southern California Linux Expo >>>> 877-831-2569 x110 Voice >>>> 818-442-1865 Mobile >>>> ilan@linuxfests.org Email >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Ask me about sponsorship and speaking opportunities at >>>> LinuxFests.org's >>>> upcoming events: >>>> DevOps Days SV - June 24-25, 2016 - Mountain View, CA >>>> Texas Linux Fest - July 8-9, 2016, Austin TX >>>> SCALE 15x - March 2-5, 2017 - Pasadena, CA >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 7:19 AM, SCALE Planning List < >>>> scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Can I get the contact info for Stu so I can ask some question of >>>> him? >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 1:18 AM, SCALE Planning List < >>>>> scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016, SCALE Planning List wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope that this is the right place for this. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have been asked to reach out the SCALE to see if you all are >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> need >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> help with live streaming, event networking, Wifi or internet >>>>>>> access. I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> just finished up doing the South East Linux Fest (SELF) Wifi and >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> contacted by Ubiquiti (a hardware maker) and another company >>>>>>> Altispeed >>>>>>> http://www.altispeed.com/ about sponsoring the networking >>>>>>> needs for >>>>>>> SCALE. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As an example of the event networking I have done, here is the >>>>>>> post I >>>>>>> did >>>>>>> about the SELF2016 network: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Stories/SouthEast-Linux-Fest-2016/cns-p/1... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is some information about what we've done in the past. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.usenix.org/conference/lisa12/technical-sessions/presentation/lan... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.usenix.org/publications/login/april-2013-volume-38-number-2/wire... >>>>>> >>>>>> This last year we deployed about 110 access points around the >>>>>> show. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Conference center provides the Internet connection, and we >>>>>> have >>>>>> paid them to allow us to run everything else. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is an opening for them to sponsor some of this. We can >>>>>> definantly >>>>>> use help setting up and running things. At the moment, we don't >>>>>> know who >>>>>> will be replacing Stu as the person setting up and running the >>>>>> network for >>>>>> the show. Michael Proctor-Smith is going to be running the AV >>>>>> group, so he >>>>>> will be continuing to spearhead the streaming effort. >>>>>> >>>>>> The current plan is to select the new Tech Chair in a month or >>>>>> so. >>>>>> >>>>>> David Lang >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Scale-planning mailing list >>>>>> Scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://lists.linuxfests.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/scale-planning >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA) >>>>> My website http://zachunderwood.me >>>>> advance-networking.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Scale-planning mailing list >>>>> Scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org >>>>> >>>>> https://lists.linuxfests.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/scale-planning >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Scale-planning mailing list >>>> Scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org >>>> >>>> https://lists.linuxfests.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/scale-planning >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA) >>> My website http://zachunderwood.me >>> advance-networking.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Scale-planning mailing list >>> Scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org >>> https://lists.linuxfests.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/scale-planning >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Scale-planning mailing list > Scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org > https://lists.linuxfests.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/scale-planning >
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