Hi...
If the name badge part of the print out could take up 2 adjacent regions so it could be folded in half and the name could be seen from both sides it would solve the problem of 50% of the people wearing badges that show as blank white cards (the back of the name card). It is nice to be able to speak to people by their names, but half the time it isn't possible (unless you already know them... but maybe you haven't seem them for a while and can't remember their names?). If this is done, the fold should be on the lower edge of the badge for easy insertion into the badge holder.
Caryl
We certainly can do this, but...
1) Some people won't be able to figure out how to insert it properly. 2) A few people may tear the 2 sides apart and give themselves and their friends a 2 for 1 discount.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 7:15 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbigenho@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi...
If the name badge part of the print out could take up 2 adjacent regions so it could be folded in half and the name could be seen from both sides it would solve the problem of 50% of the people wearing badges that show as blank white cards (the back of the name card). It is nice to be able to speak to people by their names, but half the time it isn't possible (unless you already know them... but maybe you haven't seem them for a while and can't remember their names?). If this is done, the fold should be on the lower edge of the badge for easy insertion into the badge holder.
Caryl
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and what stops someone from walking to a photocopier or nearby print shop and making dozens of badges.
there is such a thing as being too worried about fraud.
David Lang
On Mon, 6 Mar 2017, Lei Zhang wrote:
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 20:15:16 -0800 From: Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org Reply-To: SCALE Planning List scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org To: SCALE Planning List scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org Subject: Re: [Scale-planning] Expo Pass (Other Issues and Suggestions)
We certainly can do this, but...
- Some people won't be able to figure out how to insert it properly.
- A few people may tear the 2 sides apart and give themselves and
their friends a 2 for 1 discount.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 7:15 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbigenho@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi...
If the name badge part of the print out could take up 2 adjacent regions so it could be folded in half and the name could be seen from both sides it would solve the problem of 50% of the people wearing badges that show as blank white cards (the back of the name card). It is nice to be able to speak to people by their names, but half the time it isn't possible (unless you already know them... but maybe you haven't seem them for a while and can't remember their names?). If this is done, the fold should be on the lower edge of the badge for easy insertion into the badge holder.
Caryl
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I'm not the one worried about expo pass abuse, but others seem to be. Just pointing out the potential issues here.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:36 PM, David Lang david@lang.hm wrote:
and what stops someone from walking to a photocopier or nearby print shop and making dozens of badges.
there is such a thing as being too worried about fraud.
David Lang
On Mon, 6 Mar 2017, Lei Zhang wrote:
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 20:15:16 -0800 From: Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org Reply-To: SCALE Planning List scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org To: SCALE Planning List scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org Subject: Re: [Scale-planning] Expo Pass (Other Issues and Suggestions)
We certainly can do this, but...
- Some people won't be able to figure out how to insert it properly.
- A few people may tear the 2 sides apart and give themselves and
their friends a 2 for 1 discount.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 7:15 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbigenho@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi...
If the name badge part of the print out could take up 2 adjacent regions so it could be folded in half and the name could be seen from both sides it would solve the problem of 50% of the people wearing badges that show as blank white cards (the back of the name card). It is nice to be able to speak to people by their names, but half the time it isn't possible (unless you already know them... but maybe you haven't seem them for a while and can't remember their names?). If this is done, the fold should be on the lower edge of the badge for easy insertion into the badge holder.
Caryl
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On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:36 PM, David Lang david@lang.hm wrote:
and what stops someone from walking to a photocopier or nearby print shop and making dozens of badges.
there is such a thing as being too worried about fraud.
Nothing. And I'm fine with that. If you're so desperate to learn about open-source yet so strapped for funds that you feel you need to sneak into SCALE, then frankly I'm not going to stand in your way. Our mission is education, not profit.
Ilan
Well said.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Ilan Rabinovitch ilan@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:36 PM, David Lang david@lang.hm wrote:
and what stops someone from walking to a photocopier or nearby print shop and making dozens of badges.
there is such a thing as being too worried about fraud.
Nothing. And I'm fine with that. If you're so desperate to learn about open-source yet so strapped for funds that you feel you need to sneak into SCALE, then frankly I'm not going to stand in your way. Our mission is education, not profit.
Ilan
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Good discussion
Solution to 2 for 1 - Just print the name on a blank side with nothing on it and allow those who want to make it a 2 sided badge to do so, with only one side really the valid side.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Ilan Rabinovitch ilan@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:36 PM, David Lang david@lang.hm wrote:
and what stops someone from walking to a photocopier or nearby print shop and making dozens of badges.
there is such a thing as being too worried about fraud.
Nothing. And I'm fine with that. If you're so desperate to learn about open-source yet so strapped for funds that you feel you need to sneak into SCALE, then frankly I'm not going to stand in your way. Our mission is education, not profit.
Ilan
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It might not be worth the cost, but if you used a color duplex printer, you could print the badge on both sides, as well you would not have to have the badge paper printed up (same with just a color printer). This would reduce the waste of paper ,or having badges from Scale 12x hanging around (yes, I saw that stack).
It would also give an option to print special, noticable badges for any purpose, such as tech, a/v, volunteer, speaker, expo, etc.
I am not sure of what the cost would be for the printers and toner vs. having the badges printed up.
Ok, lots of things here. Here's our guiding principle. Attendees (mostly anyway) are not at SCALE to hang out at the reg desk. So, we want them to spend as little time there as possible. To that end, we try to come up with solutions that streamline all the user experience into one solution.
Multiple printers serving up different kinds of badges, separate queues, specialized badge stations etc will all work, but violate the guiding principle. Incidentally, that's also the reason that we have only one badge per sheet when we can have 6 in theory. We tried that once, and um, no, not fun.
We can solve this problem if we introduce expensive badge solutions with RFID etc, but that will increase the cost of the conference, and we are loathe to doing that.
Bala.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
It might not be worth the cost, but if you used a color duplex printer, you could print the badge on both sides, as well you would not have to have the badge paper printed up (same with just a color printer). This would reduce the waste of paper ,or having badges from Scale 12x hanging around (yes, I saw that stack).
It would also give an option to print special, noticable badges for any purpose, such as tech, a/v, volunteer, speaker, expo, etc.
I am not sure of what the cost would be for the printers and toner vs. having the badges printed up.
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K.
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Ilan,
What you said was kind of sobering, this couldn't of been said any better, thank you. If people want to get expo passes and see the con because they can't afford a full pass. *We are about education, not profit. This *is why we all do what we do every year.
I feel like this thread keeps trying to reinvent the wheel, which will cost the team more time and money to prevent what? If leave things the way they are, its not like people who are "stealing" are really hurting the con for anyone else. Are they?
Do we really want impose changes to the rest of the 3000+ attendees because a hand full of people want to cause trouble?
To top it off, the talks are free online after.
Sean
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Hriday Balachandran <bala@socallinuxexpo.org
wrote:
Ok, lots of things here. Here's our guiding principle. Attendees (mostly anyway) are not at SCALE to hang out at the reg desk. So, we want them to spend as little time there as possible. To that end, we try to come up with solutions that streamline all the user experience into one solution.
Multiple printers serving up different kinds of badges, separate queues, specialized badge stations etc will all work, but violate the guiding principle. Incidentally, that's also the reason that we have only one badge per sheet when we can have 6 in theory. We tried that once, and um, no, not fun.
We can solve this problem if we introduce expensive badge solutions with RFID etc, but that will increase the cost of the conference, and we are loathe to doing that.
Bala.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
It might not be worth the cost, but if you used a color duplex printer,
you
could print the badge on both sides, as well you would not have to have
the
badge paper printed up (same with just a color printer). This would
reduce
the waste of paper ,or having badges from Scale 12x hanging around (yes,
I
saw that stack).
It would also give an option to print special, noticable badges for any purpose, such as tech, a/v, volunteer, speaker, expo, etc.
I am not sure of what the cost would be for the printers and toner vs.
having
the badges printed up.
--
K.
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Hi.... What I really want to do is eliminate the problem of the badge as a name tag being useless 50% of the time because the side with the name is turned toward the body. Somehow, getting the name on both sides would solve this problem.
And why is this a problem? People respond better when you can call them by name. Also, if it is someone you haven't seen in a year or 2, it allows you to avoid the embarrassment of having to ask when they greet you by your name!
I don't remember exactly how they did it, but the much smaller Linuxfest NW last May had a very different badge that always showed the name. Anyone else go and remember how they did it? It also had a mini program as part of the badge, but SCaLE is too big for that.
Caryl
________________________________ From: Scale-planning scale-planning-bounces@lists.linuxfests.org on behalf of Sean McCabe sean@socallinuxexpo.org Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 1:53:25 PM To: SCALE Planning List Subject: Re: [Scale-planning] Expo Pass (Other Issues and Suggestions)
Ilan,
What you said was kind of sobering, this couldn't of been said any better, thank you. If people want to get expo passes and see the con because they can't afford a full pass. We are about education, not profit. This is why we all do what we do every year.
I feel like this thread keeps trying to reinvent the wheel, which will cost the team more time and money to prevent what? If leave things the way they are, its not like people who are "stealing" are really hurting the con for anyone else. Are they?
Do we really want impose changes to the rest of the 3000+ attendees because a hand full of people want to cause trouble?
To top it off, the talks are free online after.
Sean
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Hriday Balachandran <bala@socallinuxexpo.orgmailto:bala@socallinuxexpo.org> wrote: Ok, lots of things here. Here's our guiding principle. Attendees (mostly anyway) are not at SCALE to hang out at the reg desk. So, we want them to spend as little time there as possible. To that end, we try to come up with solutions that streamline all the user experience into one solution.
Multiple printers serving up different kinds of badges, separate queues, specialized badge stations etc will all work, but violate the guiding principle. Incidentally, that's also the reason that we have only one badge per sheet when we can have 6 in theory. We tried that once, and um, no, not fun.
We can solve this problem if we introduce expensive badge solutions with RFID etc, but that will increase the cost of the conference, and we are loathe to doing that.
Bala.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Ken <scalezz@kemasa.commailto:scalezz@kemasa.com> wrote:
It might not be worth the cost, but if you used a color duplex printer, you could print the badge on both sides, as well you would not have to have the badge paper printed up (same with just a color printer). This would reduce the waste of paper ,or having badges from Scale 12x hanging around (yes, I saw that stack).
It would also give an option to print special, noticable badges for any purpose, such as tech, a/v, volunteer, speaker, expo, etc.
I am not sure of what the cost would be for the printers and toner vs. having the badges printed up.
--
K.
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On Tuesday 07 March 2017, Hriday Balachandran wrote:
... Multiple printers serving up different kinds of badges, separate queues, specialized badge stations etc will all work, ...
You responded to my email, which was mentioning to consider using a color printer instead of a B/W printer, so there would not be multiple printers with different kinds of badges since a color printer could do it, as well, you would no longer need to have the badges printed up in advance and the excess paper could be used the next year instead of being wasted.
We'll look into color printing, duplex printing, and printing the artwork onto blank badge stock.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
You responded to my email, which was mentioning to consider using a color printer instead of a B/W printer, so there would not be multiple printers with different kinds of badges since a color printer could do it, as well, you would no longer need to have the badges printed up in advance and the excess paper could be used the next year instead of being wasted.
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