This year we moved SCALE t-shirt pick up from registration to a booth in the corner of the expo floor. Did this make registration less chaotic? Was the t-shirt booth too hard to find? Is the change a net improvement from past years?
As a very typical and not very attentive attendee:
It was not very discoverable. You have to assume that nobody reads anything but what's in very large print on large signs and/or T-shirts (the wifi password t-shirt was genius).
I only discovered the t-shirts by overhearing it.
Once I knew they were on the show floor, it was fine, I found mine and got it no problem.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 5:34 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
This year we moved SCALE t-shirt pick up from registration to a booth in the corner of the expo floor. Did this make registration less chaotic? Was the t-shirt booth too hard to find? Is the change a net improvement from past years? _______________________________________________ Scale-planning mailing list Scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org https://lists.linuxfests.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/scale-planning
Program map, needed Booths 231 and 330 included. Maybe registration table signage pointing to T-Shirt booth(s) number(s) will help.
In addition, a last minute, as-is booth map will help vectoring attendees, and, mapping the cabling, switches and access points. E.g. attached map.
R/ Everett Batey / Skype: wa6cre-10 / efbatey@gmail.com or efbarc@cotdazr.org or wa6cre@gmail.com or lioneverett@gmail.com Auxiliary Lions 4-A3 Web Lions 4-A3 Calendar / http://lions.vhwy.com/lcal (805) 616-2471 / G-Talk/Twitter: efbatey / CrisisLinks http://bit.ly/cw95Um Please visit So Calif Linux Expo http://www.socallinuxexpo.org
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
As a very typical and not very attentive attendee:
It was not very discoverable. You have to assume that nobody reads anything but what's in very large print on large signs and/or T-shirts (the wifi password t-shirt was genius).
I only discovered the t-shirts by overhearing it.
Once I knew they were on the show floor, it was fine, I found mine and got it no problem.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 5:34 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
This year we moved SCALE t-shirt pick up from registration to a booth in the corner of the expo floor. Did this make registration less chaotic? Was the t-shirt booth too hard to find? Is the change a net improvement from past years? _______________________________________________ Scale-planning mailing list Scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org https://lists.linuxfests.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/scale-planning
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We moved it there after the programs were printed, but made sure to:
1) Send out regular notifications on twitter/fb 2) Send out push notifications to the users who downloaded the mobile app (guidebook) 3) Mention it to attendees when they checked it. 4) Announce it at the keynotes, upscale and other high traffic events.
If we do this again the future, and i think we should, we'll decide on it earlier and note in the printed program as well. Doing this on the expo floor helped drive a ton of traffic to usually lower traffic areas on the expo floor.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Everett Batey efbatey@gmail.com wrote:
Program map, needed Booths 231 and 330 included. Maybe registration table signage pointing to T-Shirt booth(s) number(s) will help.
In addition, a last minute, as-is booth map will help vectoring attendees, and, mapping the cabling, switches and access points. E.g. attached map.
R/ Everett Batey / Skype: wa6cre-10 / efbatey@gmail.com or efbarc@cotdazr.org or wa6cre@gmail.com or lioneverett@gmail.com Auxiliary Lions 4-A3 Web Lions 4-A3 Calendar / http://lions.vhwy.com/lcal (805) 616-2471 / G-Talk/Twitter: efbatey / CrisisLinks http://bit.ly/cw95Um Please visit So Calif Linux Expo http://www.socallinuxexpo.org
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
As a very typical and not very attentive attendee:
It was not very discoverable. You have to assume that nobody reads anything but what's in very large print on large signs and/or T-shirts (the wifi password t-shirt was genius).
I only discovered the t-shirts by overhearing it.
Once I knew they were on the show floor, it was fine, I found mine and got it no problem.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 5:34 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
This year we moved SCALE t-shirt pick up from registration to a booth in the corner of the expo floor. Did this make registration less chaotic? Was the t-shirt booth too hard to find? Is the change a net improvement from past years? _______________________________________________ Scale-planning mailing list Scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org https://lists.linuxfests.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/scale-planning
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Driving traffic to the expo floor is a good idea.
Whatever you did was effective enough for me, and it sounds like it'll be handled even better next time. - Dan
I think driving traffic to the expo floor is a good idea, as well.
I went to look at my badge, which used the extra cards to advertise * Bad Voltage, * Guide book * Game Night
and print the receipt. There was a lot of empty space on the receipt, so maybe there is room for a Troy penguin with a word balloon saying "Stop by the expo floor for your t-shirt!" And then have the booth number in smaller text as a caption.
Lan
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Ilan Rabinovitch ilan@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We moved it there after the programs were printed, but made sure to:
- Send out regular notifications on twitter/fb
- Send out push notifications to the users who downloaded the mobile app
(guidebook) 3) Mention it to attendees when they checked it. 4) Announce it at the keynotes, upscale and other high traffic events.
If we do this again the future, and i think we should, we'll decide on it earlier and note in the printed program as well. Doing this on the expo floor helped drive a ton of traffic to usually lower traffic areas on the expo floor.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Everett Batey efbatey@gmail.com wrote:
Program map, needed Booths 231 and 330 included. Maybe registration table signage pointing to T-Shirt booth(s) number(s) will help.
In addition, a last minute, as-is booth map will help vectoring attendees, and, mapping the cabling, switches and access points. E.g. attached map.
R/ Everett Batey / Skype: wa6cre-10 / efbatey@gmail.com or efbarc@cotdazr.org or wa6cre@gmail.com or lioneverett@gmail.com Auxiliary Lions 4-A3 Web Lions 4-A3 Calendar / http://lions.vhwy.com/lcal (805) 616-2471 / G-Talk/Twitter: efbatey / CrisisLinks http://bit.ly/cw95Um Please visit So Calif Linux Expo http://www.socallinuxexpo.org
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
As a very typical and not very attentive attendee:
It was not very discoverable. You have to assume that nobody reads anything but what's in very large print on large signs and/or T-shirts (the wifi password t-shirt was genius).
I only discovered the t-shirts by overhearing it.
Once I knew they were on the show floor, it was fine, I found mine and got it no problem.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 5:34 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
This year we moved SCALE t-shirt pick up from registration to a booth in the corner of the expo floor. Did this make registration less chaotic? Was the t-shirt booth too hard to find? Is the change a net improvement from past years? _______________________________________________ Scale-planning mailing list Scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org https://lists.linuxfests.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/scale-planning
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I did ask for ideas to fill those spaces and didn't think of announcing the t-shirt pickup. Next year...
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Lan Dang ldangmlist@gmail.com wrote:
I think driving traffic to the expo floor is a good idea, as well.
I went to look at my badge, which used the extra cards to advertise
- Bad Voltage,
- Guide book
- Game Night
and print the receipt. There was a lot of empty space on the receipt, so maybe there is room for a Troy penguin with a word balloon saying "Stop by the expo floor for your t-shirt!" And then have the booth number in smaller text as a caption.
Lan
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Ilan Rabinovitch ilan@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We moved it there after the programs were printed, but made sure to:
- Send out regular notifications on twitter/fb
- Send out push notifications to the users who downloaded the mobile app
(guidebook) 3) Mention it to attendees when they checked it. 4) Announce it at the keynotes, upscale and other high traffic events.
If we do this again the future, and i think we should, we'll decide on it earlier and note in the printed program as well. Doing this on the expo floor helped drive a ton of traffic to usually lower traffic areas on the expo floor.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Everett Batey efbatey@gmail.com wrote:
Program map, needed Booths 231 and 330 included. Maybe registration table signage pointing to T-Shirt booth(s) number(s) will help.
In addition, a last minute, as-is booth map will help vectoring attendees, and, mapping the cabling, switches and access points. E.g. attached map.
R/ Everett Batey / Skype: wa6cre-10 / efbatey@gmail.com or efbarc@cotdazr.org or wa6cre@gmail.com or lioneverett@gmail.com Auxiliary Lions 4-A3 Web Lions 4-A3 Calendar / http://lions.vhwy.com/lcal (805) 616-2471 / G-Talk/Twitter: efbatey / CrisisLinks http://bit.ly/cw95Um Please visit So Calif Linux Expo http://www.socallinuxexpo.org
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
As a very typical and not very attentive attendee:
It was not very discoverable. You have to assume that nobody reads anything but what's in very large print on large signs and/or T-shirts (the wifi password t-shirt was genius).
I only discovered the t-shirts by overhearing it.
Once I knew they were on the show floor, it was fine, I found mine and got it no problem.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 5:34 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
This year we moved SCALE t-shirt pick up from registration to a booth in the corner of the expo floor. Did this make registration less chaotic? Was the t-shirt booth too hard to find? Is the change a net improvement from past years? _______________________________________________ Scale-planning mailing list Scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org https://lists.linuxfests.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/scale-planning
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On Monday 06 March 2017, Lei Zhang wrote:
I did ask for ideas to fill those spaces and didn't think of announcing the t-shirt pickup. Next year...
If you want to use those booths, then use them to give away the old t-shirts next year. I would not give out old tech or a/v shirts though.
There were 4 people at the booth giving the t-shirts out, along with phones to record that they were given one. I am not sure of how many people it saved at registration.
The same work exists whether its on the floor or by registration. We just moved it's location from being at the entrance last year to being inside this year. So the number of people saved at registration is exactly the number located in the t-shirt booth.
Having the booth where it was ensured that relatively poorly attended booths at the end of the hall, got a lot of visitors on Friday and Saturday. Both non-profit and for-profit booths. I'd like to keep the shirts in the hall.
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On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
On Monday 06 March 2017, Lei Zhang wrote:
I did ask for ideas to fill those spaces and didn't think of announcing the t-shirt pickup. Next year...
If you want to use those booths, then use them to give away the old t-shirts next year. I would not give out old tech or a/v shirts though.
There were 4 people at the booth giving the t-shirts out, along with phones to record that they were given one. I am not sure of how many people it saved at registration.
--
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On Tuesday 07 March 2017, Ilan Rabinovitch wrote:
... So the number of people saved at registration is exactly the number located in the t-shirt booth.
Are you sure about that? Since there were 4 people at the t-shirt booth and there were at least 2 at registration, that seems to me to be more than what is normally at registration when the shirts are given out there. Then when you add someone to play traffic cop to make the line go faster and less of a mess, including preventing those who don't realize that there is a line from upsetting those who have been waiting in line, it seems to be more people and more of a problem, especially with two booths based on size.
It also seems to be slower since all of the badges have to be scanned, which means it takes more time for the people. If there was a "coupon" on the badge sheet, it could make the handout go faster instead of scanning the badge.
If it is on the show floor, then it should be made much clearer that there are two different booths based on size or it should be one large booth with all sizes. Remember that a couple with two different sizes have to wait based on the longest line.
The line on the show floor can also make it harder for others to get around, as well some just don't want to wait, so they don't get a tshirt.
The scanners are required regardless of where the pick up location is, and the lines were about the same. All we did this year was move the location of the scanners, staff, and the lines. Keep in mind that you weren't at SCALE 14x so you may have missed many of the changes we made when we moved to Pasadena.
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On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
On Tuesday 07 March 2017, Ilan Rabinovitch wrote:
... So the number of people saved at registration is exactly the number located in the t-shirt booth.
Are you sure about that? Since there were 4 people at the t-shirt booth and there were at least 2 at registration, that seems to me to be more than what is normally at registration when the shirts are given out there. Then when you add someone to play traffic cop to make the line go faster and less of a mess, including preventing those who don't realize that there is a line from upsetting those who have been waiting in line, it seems to be more people and more of a problem, especially with two booths based on size.
It also seems to be slower since all of the badges have to be scanned, which means it takes more time for the people. If there was a "coupon" on the badge sheet, it could make the handout go faster instead of scanning the badge.
If it is on the show floor, then it should be made much clearer that there are two different booths based on size or it should be one large booth with all sizes. Remember that a couple with two different sizes have to wait based on the longest line.
The line on the show floor can also make it harder for others to get around, as well some just don't want to wait, so they don't get a tshirt.
--
K.
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We had 4 people there when the crowd came. During off peak hours, there were oftentimes only 1 or 2 people there.
Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
Are you sure about that? Since there were 4 people at the t-shirt booth and there were at least 2 at registration, that seems to me to be more than what is normally at registration when the shirts are given out there. Then when you add someone to play traffic cop to make the line go faster and less of a mess, including preventing those who don't realize that there is a line from upsetting those who have been waiting in line, it seems to be more people and more of a problem, especially with two booths based on size.
It also seems to be slower since all of the badges have to be scanned, which means it takes more time for the people. If there was a "coupon" on the badge sheet, it could make the handout go faster instead of scanning the badge.
"Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?"
Went well when I went with a friend.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We had 4 people there when the crowd came. During off peak hours, there were oftentimes only 1 or 2 people there.
Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
Are you sure about that? Since there were 4 people at the t-shirt booth
and
there were at least 2 at registration, that seems to me to be more than
what
is normally at registration when the shirts are given out there. Then
when
you add someone to play traffic cop to make the line go faster and less
of a
mess, including preventing those who don't realize that there is a line
from
upsetting those who have been waiting in line, it seems to be more
people and
more of a problem, especially with two booths based on size.
It also seems to be slower since all of the badges have to be scanned,
which
means it takes more time for the people. If there was a "coupon" on the
badge
sheet, it could make the handout go faster instead of scanning the badge.
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Good Morning All,
I helped hand out shirts in the evening on Sat. BTW thanks for having me! :) I enjoyed giving back and it was a lot of fun. Here is my feedback if it helps any.
Benefits of scanning - Inventory control - Double dipping prevention
Cons of scanning - Time consuming
Benefits of using a coupon - Provides faster tee pickup - Decreased wait time
Cons of using a coupon - No Inventory control - No double dipping prevention ( people can just say I lost it )
An alternative to both: Just marking a big black X on the back of the badge with a sharpie. It’s fast, they can’t say they lost the coupon. Con: No inventory control, an alternative would need to be implemented.
List of my observations. The following led to increased tee shirt selection delay.
- Unable to decide on a size by the time the attendees approached the table. - Unable to easily view the size while standing in line. (tees were flat on the table) Attendees had to wait till it was their turn to get a good look. - No mirrors for the ladies. Most would never buy a dress without seeing what it looks like. Same applies to tees for some women.
Proposed possible solutions to decrease wait time: - Tack the tees on the wall kinda like a teeshirt shop. That way people can see the sizes from a far and have an idea of what size they need by the time they get to the table. - Small mirror for those like like to see the fit.
Additional comments: I saw somewhere down below someone commented on the material. I washed & dried it. I agree that softness is everything. The scale tee was (Gildan Heavy Cotton 100% cotton) The orange endless (Gildan Softstyle Ring Spun) was a lot softer I liked it better.
Nadia
On Mar 7, 2017, at 11:35 PM, Mx Siltanen mrsiltanen@gmail.com wrote:
"Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?"
Went well when I went with a friend.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Lei Zhang <leiz@socallinuxexpo.org mailto:leiz@socallinuxexpo.org> wrote: We had 4 people there when the crowd came. During off peak hours, there were oftentimes only 1 or 2 people there.
Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Ken <scalezz@kemasa.com mailto:scalezz@kemasa.com> wrote:
Are you sure about that? Since there were 4 people at the t-shirt booth and there were at least 2 at registration, that seems to me to be more than what is normally at registration when the shirts are given out there. Then when you add someone to play traffic cop to make the line go faster and less of a mess, including preventing those who don't realize that there is a line from upsetting those who have been waiting in line, it seems to be more people and more of a problem, especially with two booths based on size.
It also seems to be slower since all of the badges have to be scanned, which means it takes more time for the people. If there was a "coupon" on the badge sheet, it could make the handout go faster instead of scanning the badge.
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On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 4:48 AM, Nadia Morales tauntria@gmail.com wrote:
I saw somewhere down below someone commented on the material. I washed & dried it. I agree that softness is everything. The scale tee was (Gildan Heavy Cotton 100% cotton) The orange endless (Gildan Softstyle Ring Spun) was a lot softer I liked it better.
As a first approximation, men like 100% cotton and women like softer stuff. But if the materials cost the same, try getting the softer stuff for all shirts one year and see how people like it. - Dan
The "Gildan Softstyle Ring Spun" is also 100% cotton just way softer.
On Mar 8, 2017, at 6:17 AM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 4:48 AM, Nadia Morales tauntria@gmail.com wrote:
I saw somewhere down below someone commented on the material. I washed & dried it. I agree that softness is everything. The scale tee was (Gildan Heavy Cotton 100% cotton) The orange endless (Gildan Softstyle Ring Spun) was a lot softer I liked it better.
As a first approximation, men like 100% cotton and women like softer stuff. But if the materials cost the same, try getting the softer stuff for all shirts one year and see how people like it.
- Dan
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size selection seems to introduce the delay with picking out the shirts. how about having a sample table a little distance away? just put a big black X on the front of a few shirts of each size and have them available for fitting.
i hate guessing because i'm rushed, and then ending up with a car rag instead of a souvenir.
...lori
On Mar 8, 2017 04:42, "Nadia Morales" tauntria@gmail.com wrote:
Good Morning All,
I helped hand out shirts in the evening on Sat. BTW thanks for having me! :) I enjoyed giving back and it was a lot of fun. Here is my feedback if it helps any.
Benefits of scanning
- Inventory control
- Double dipping prevention
Cons of scanning
- Time consuming
Benefits of using a coupon
- Provides faster tee pickup
- Decreased wait time
Cons of using a coupon
- No Inventory control
- No double dipping prevention ( people can just say I lost it )
An alternative to both: Just marking a big black X on the back of the badge with a sharpie. It’s fast, they can’t say they lost the coupon. Con: No inventory control, an alternative would need to be implemented.
List of my observations. The following led to increased tee shirt selection delay.
- Unable to decide on a size by the time the attendees approached the
table.
- Unable to easily view the size while standing in line. (tees were flat
on the table) Attendees had to wait till it was their turn to get a good look.
- No mirrors for the ladies. Most would never buy a dress without seeing
what it looks like. Same applies to tees for some women.
Proposed possible solutions to decrease wait time:
- Tack the tees on the wall kinda like a teeshirt shop. That way people
can see the sizes from a far and have an idea of what size they need by the time they get to the table.
- Small mirror for those like like to see the fit.
Additional comments: I saw somewhere down below someone commented on the material. I washed & dried it. I agree that softness is everything. The scale tee was (Gildan Heavy Cotton 100% cotton) The orange endless (Gildan Softstyle Ring Spun) was a lot softer I liked it better.
Nadia
On Mar 7, 2017, at 11:35 PM, Mx Siltanen mrsiltanen@gmail.com wrote:
"Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?"
Went well when I went with a friend.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We had 4 people there when the crowd came. During off peak hours, there were oftentimes only 1 or 2 people there.
Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
Are you sure about that? Since there were 4 people at the t-shirt booth
and
there were at least 2 at registration, that seems to me to be more than
what
is normally at registration when the shirts are given out there. Then
when
you add someone to play traffic cop to make the line go faster and less
of a
mess, including preventing those who don't realize that there is a line
from
upsetting those who have been waiting in line, it seems to be more
people and
more of a problem, especially with two booths based on size.
It also seems to be slower since all of the badges have to be scanned,
which
means it takes more time for the people. If there was a "coupon" on the
badge
sheet, it could make the handout go faster instead of scanning the
badge. _______________________________________________ Scale-planning mailing list Scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org https://lists.linuxfests.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/scale-planning
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I had the same issue for myself. I am a Medium or Large depending on the manufacturer. Having the different size t-shirts available to look at up front seems to work fine. Also, if there's a long line, maybe have one of the volunteers walk the line showing what sizes are what with a tee or two in hand.
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 4:48 AM, Nadia Morales tauntria@gmail.com wrote:
Good Morning All,
I helped hand out shirts in the evening on Sat. BTW thanks for having me! :) I enjoyed giving back and it was a lot of fun. Here is my feedback if it helps any.
Benefits of scanning
- Inventory control
- Double dipping prevention
Cons of scanning
- Time consuming
Benefits of using a coupon
- Provides faster tee pickup
- Decreased wait time
Cons of using a coupon
- No Inventory control
- No double dipping prevention ( people can just say I lost it )
An alternative to both: Just marking a big black X on the back of the badge with a sharpie. It’s fast, they can’t say they lost the coupon. Con: No inventory control, an alternative would need to be implemented.
List of my observations. The following led to increased tee shirt selection delay.
- Unable to decide on a size by the time the attendees approached the
table.
- Unable to easily view the size while standing in line. (tees were flat
on the table) Attendees had to wait till it was their turn to get a good look.
- No mirrors for the ladies. Most would never buy a dress without seeing
what it looks like. Same applies to tees for some women.
Proposed possible solutions to decrease wait time:
- Tack the tees on the wall kinda like a teeshirt shop. That way people
can see the sizes from a far and have an idea of what size they need by the time they get to the table.
- Small mirror for those like like to see the fit.
Additional comments: I saw somewhere down below someone commented on the material. I washed & dried it. I agree that softness is everything. The scale tee was (Gildan Heavy Cotton 100% cotton) The orange endless (Gildan Softstyle Ring Spun) was a lot softer I liked it better.
Nadia
On Mar 7, 2017, at 11:35 PM, Mx Siltanen mrsiltanen@gmail.com wrote:
"Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?"
Went well when I went with a friend.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We had 4 people there when the crowd came. During off peak hours, there were oftentimes only 1 or 2 people there.
Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
Are you sure about that? Since there were 4 people at the t-shirt booth
and
there were at least 2 at registration, that seems to me to be more than
what
is normally at registration when the shirts are given out there. Then
when
you add someone to play traffic cop to make the line go faster and less
of a
mess, including preventing those who don't realize that there is a line
from
upsetting those who have been waiting in line, it seems to be more
people and
more of a problem, especially with two booths based on size.
It also seems to be slower since all of the badges have to be scanned,
which
means it takes more time for the people. If there was a "coupon" on the
badge
sheet, it could make the handout go faster instead of scanning the
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I noticed that a couple of people prefer the poly blend T-shirts. Don't replace the higher quality 100% cotton T-shirts with the lower quality 50% polyester T-shirts, please!
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:52 AM Danny Derakhshan ddderakhshan@gmail.com wrote:
I had the same issue for myself. I am a Medium or Large depending on the manufacturer. Having the different size t-shirts available to look at up front seems to work fine. Also, if there's a long line, maybe have one of the volunteers walk the line showing what sizes are what with a tee or two in hand.
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 4:48 AM, Nadia Morales tauntria@gmail.com wrote:
Good Morning All,
I helped hand out shirts in the evening on Sat. BTW thanks for having me! :) I enjoyed giving back and it was a lot of fun. Here is my feedback if it helps any.
Benefits of scanning
- Inventory control
- Double dipping prevention
Cons of scanning
- Time consuming
Benefits of using a coupon
- Provides faster tee pickup
- Decreased wait time
Cons of using a coupon
- No Inventory control
- No double dipping prevention ( people can just say I lost it )
An alternative to both: Just marking a big black X on the back of the badge with a sharpie. It’s fast, they can’t say they lost the coupon. Con: No inventory control, an alternative would need to be implemented.
List of my observations. The following led to increased tee shirt selection delay.
- Unable to decide on a size by the time the attendees approached the
table.
- Unable to easily view the size while standing in line. (tees were flat
on the table) Attendees had to wait till it was their turn to get a good look.
- No mirrors for the ladies. Most would never buy a dress without seeing
what it looks like. Same applies to tees for some women.
Proposed possible solutions to decrease wait time:
- Tack the tees on the wall kinda like a teeshirt shop. That way people
can see the sizes from a far and have an idea of what size they need by the time they get to the table.
- Small mirror for those like like to see the fit.
Additional comments: I saw somewhere down below someone commented on the material. I washed & dried it. I agree that softness is everything. The scale tee was (Gildan Heavy Cotton 100% cotton) The orange endless (Gildan Softstyle Ring Spun) was a lot softer I liked it better.
Nadia
On Mar 7, 2017, at 11:35 PM, Mx Siltanen mrsiltanen@gmail.com wrote:
"Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?"
Went well when I went with a friend.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We had 4 people there when the crowd came. During off peak hours, there were oftentimes only 1 or 2 people there.
Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
Are you sure about that? Since there were 4 people at the t-shirt booth
and
there were at least 2 at registration, that seems to me to be more than
what
is normally at registration when the shirts are given out there. Then
when
you add someone to play traffic cop to make the line go faster and less
of a
mess, including preventing those who don't realize that there is a line
from
upsetting those who have been waiting in line, it seems to be more
people and
more of a problem, especially with two booths based on size.
It also seems to be slower since all of the badges have to be scanned,
which
means it takes more time for the people. If there was a "coupon" on the
badge
sheet, it could make the handout go faster instead of scanning the badge.
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This discussion started with feedback on if the expo floor based distribution works or not and has gone off course.
We appreciate the thoughts around the shirt quality etc but that's determined by a variety of factors including cost.
I think it's time to retire this thread now that we have enough feedback.
Thanks,
Bala. On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 12:40 PM Swantje swantje@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed that a couple of people prefer the poly blend T-shirts. Don't replace the higher quality 100% cotton T-shirts with the lower quality 50% polyester T-shirts, please!
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:52 AM Danny Derakhshan ddderakhshan@gmail.com wrote:
I had the same issue for myself. I am a Medium or Large depending on the manufacturer. Having the different size t-shirts available to look at up front seems to work fine. Also, if there's a long line, maybe have one of the volunteers walk the line showing what sizes are what with a tee or two in hand.
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 4:48 AM, Nadia Morales tauntria@gmail.com wrote:
Good Morning All,
I helped hand out shirts in the evening on Sat. BTW thanks for having me! :) I enjoyed giving back and it was a lot of fun. Here is my feedback if it helps any.
Benefits of scanning
- Inventory control
- Double dipping prevention
Cons of scanning
- Time consuming
Benefits of using a coupon
- Provides faster tee pickup
- Decreased wait time
Cons of using a coupon
- No Inventory control
- No double dipping prevention ( people can just say I lost it )
An alternative to both: Just marking a big black X on the back of the badge with a sharpie. It’s fast, they can’t say they lost the coupon. Con: No inventory control, an alternative would need to be implemented.
List of my observations. The following led to increased tee shirt selection delay.
- Unable to decide on a size by the time the attendees approached the
table.
- Unable to easily view the size while standing in line. (tees were flat
on the table) Attendees had to wait till it was their turn to get a good look.
- No mirrors for the ladies. Most would never buy a dress without seeing
what it looks like. Same applies to tees for some women.
Proposed possible solutions to decrease wait time:
- Tack the tees on the wall kinda like a teeshirt shop. That way people
can see the sizes from a far and have an idea of what size they need by the time they get to the table.
- Small mirror for those like like to see the fit.
Additional comments: I saw somewhere down below someone commented on the material. I washed & dried it. I agree that softness is everything. The scale tee was (Gildan Heavy Cotton 100% cotton) The orange endless (Gildan Softstyle Ring Spun) was a lot softer I liked it better.
Nadia
On Mar 7, 2017, at 11:35 PM, Mx Siltanen mrsiltanen@gmail.com wrote:
"Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?"
Went well when I went with a friend.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We had 4 people there when the crowd came. During off peak hours, there were oftentimes only 1 or 2 people there.
Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
Are you sure about that? Since there were 4 people at the t-shirt booth
and
there were at least 2 at registration, that seems to me to be more than
what
is normally at registration when the shirts are given out there. Then
when
you add someone to play traffic cop to make the line go faster and less
of a
mess, including preventing those who don't realize that there is a line
from
upsetting those who have been waiting in line, it seems to be more
people and
more of a problem, especially with two booths based on size.
It also seems to be slower since all of the badges have to be scanned,
which
means it takes more time for the people. If there was a "coupon" on the
badge
sheet, it could make the handout go faster instead of scanning the badge.
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On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, Nadia Morales wrote:
An alternative to both: Just marking a big black X on the back of the badge with a sharpie. It’s fast, they can’t say they lost the coupon. Con: No inventory control, an alternative would need to be implemented.
I would expect that to take longer than scanning as you have to take the badge out of the holder.
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Perhaps it might be best to take a step back and decide what the goals are, as well as some of the issues, especially how it affects those that Scale is serving..
You can keep track of the inventory with paper and pencil faster than scanning a badge. Marking a badge would take longer and be harder. Is trust really an issue with the shirts since now there are those who want to give them away and how many people would really take more than one, especially if you let them know after a given time they can come back for more.
While it is nice to encourage people to the expo floor, forcing them to go in order to get the shirt seems much like treating them like cattle. It is also wasting their time, which I personally think is unacceptable. Also, there is limited times in which the expo floor is open, which limits when people can go and it also means that a person who only makes it on Thursday does not get a shirt.
From what I heard the reason for the booth was because the shirts did not arrive in time,
To me, the reduction in shirts given out screams that there was a problem, unless the goal is to save money by not giving out shirts.
As a side note, I personally would NOT donate any of the old shirts to Goodwill. This is for many reasons, such as they are just going to try to sell them. If you want to do good with the shirts, then donate them to a place like the Battered Women's Shelter or organizations which will give them to those in need.
Thanks for your observations. They make a lot of since.
For coupon vs badge scanning, I thought of a compromise - coupons with barcodes on them. Attendees just hand them in and we can write down the size on them. Someone, likely me, can scan them into the computer afterwards and detect abuse, if any, after the fact.
Based on my experience, scanning badges is pretty fast, but we can try coupons and see if that makes a difference.
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 4:48 AM, Nadia Morales tauntria@gmail.com wrote:
Good Morning All,
I helped hand out shirts in the evening on Sat. BTW thanks for having me! :) I enjoyed giving back and it was a lot of fun. Here is my feedback if it helps any.
Benefits of scanning
- Inventory control
- Double dipping prevention
Cons of scanning
- Time consuming
Benefits of using a coupon
- Provides faster tee pickup
- Decreased wait time
Cons of using a coupon
- No Inventory control
- No double dipping prevention ( people can just say I lost it )
An alternative to both: Just marking a big black X on the back of the badge with a sharpie. It’s fast, they can’t say they lost the coupon. Con: No inventory control, an alternative would need to be implemented.
List of my observations. The following led to increased tee shirt selection delay.
- Unable to decide on a size by the time the attendees approached the table.
- Unable to easily view the size while standing in line. (tees were flat on
the table) Attendees had to wait till it was their turn to get a good look.
- No mirrors for the ladies. Most would never buy a dress without seeing
what it looks like. Same applies to tees for some women.
Proposed possible solutions to decrease wait time:
- Tack the tees on the wall kinda like a teeshirt shop. That way people can
see the sizes from a far and have an idea of what size they need by the time they get to the table.
- Small mirror for those like like to see the fit.
Additional comments: I saw somewhere down below someone commented on the material. I washed & dried it. I agree that softness is everything. The scale tee was (Gildan Heavy Cotton 100% cotton) The orange endless (Gildan Softstyle Ring Spun) was a lot softer I liked it better.
Nadia
On Mar 7, 2017, at 11:35 PM, Mx Siltanen mrsiltanen@gmail.com wrote:
"Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?"
Went well when I went with a friend.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We had 4 people there when the crowd came. During off peak hours, there were oftentimes only 1 or 2 people there.
Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
Are you sure about that? Since there were 4 people at the t-shirt booth and there were at least 2 at registration, that seems to me to be more than what is normally at registration when the shirts are given out there. Then when you add someone to play traffic cop to make the line go faster and less of a mess, including preventing those who don't realize that there is a line from upsetting those who have been waiting in line, it seems to be more people and more of a problem, especially with two booths based on size.
It also seems to be slower since all of the badges have to be scanned, which means it takes more time for the people. If there was a "coupon" on the badge sheet, it could make the handout go faster instead of scanning the badge.
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writing the size on lots of separate pieces of paper and then trying to scan them will be far slower than just keeping a tally on paper as they are handed out.
What would you be scanning? not the size they were given (that's hand-written). The only thing you could scan is identification of who got a shirt.
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, Lei Zhang wrote:
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 22:04:13 -0800 From: Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org Reply-To: SCALE Planning List scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org To: SCALE Planning List scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org Subject: Re: [Scale-planning] Did you like having SCALE t-shirt pick up on the expo floor?
Thanks for your observations. They make a lot of since.
For coupon vs badge scanning, I thought of a compromise - coupons with barcodes on them. Attendees just hand them in and we can write down the size on them. Someone, likely me, can scan them into the computer afterwards and detect abuse, if any, after the fact.
Based on my experience, scanning badges is pretty fast, but we can try coupons and see if that makes a difference.
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 4:48 AM, Nadia Morales tauntria@gmail.com wrote:
Good Morning All,
I helped hand out shirts in the evening on Sat. BTW thanks for having me! :) I enjoyed giving back and it was a lot of fun. Here is my feedback if it helps any.
Benefits of scanning
- Inventory control
- Double dipping prevention
Cons of scanning
- Time consuming
Benefits of using a coupon
- Provides faster tee pickup
- Decreased wait time
Cons of using a coupon
- No Inventory control
- No double dipping prevention ( people can just say I lost it )
An alternative to both: Just marking a big black X on the back of the badge with a sharpie. It’s fast, they can’t say they lost the coupon. Con: No inventory control, an alternative would need to be implemented.
List of my observations. The following led to increased tee shirt selection delay.
- Unable to decide on a size by the time the attendees approached the table.
- Unable to easily view the size while standing in line. (tees were flat on
the table) Attendees had to wait till it was their turn to get a good look.
- No mirrors for the ladies. Most would never buy a dress without seeing
what it looks like. Same applies to tees for some women.
Proposed possible solutions to decrease wait time:
- Tack the tees on the wall kinda like a teeshirt shop. That way people can
see the sizes from a far and have an idea of what size they need by the time they get to the table.
- Small mirror for those like like to see the fit.
Additional comments: I saw somewhere down below someone commented on the material. I washed & dried it. I agree that softness is everything. The scale tee was (Gildan Heavy Cotton 100% cotton) The orange endless (Gildan Softstyle Ring Spun) was a lot softer I liked it better.
Nadia
On Mar 7, 2017, at 11:35 PM, Mx Siltanen mrsiltanen@gmail.com wrote:
"Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?"
Went well when I went with a friend.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We had 4 people there when the crowd came. During off peak hours, there were oftentimes only 1 or 2 people there.
Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
Are you sure about that? Since there were 4 people at the t-shirt booth and there were at least 2 at registration, that seems to me to be more than what is normally at registration when the shirts are given out there. Then when you add someone to play traffic cop to make the line go faster and less of a mess, including preventing those who don't realize that there is a line from upsetting those who have been waiting in line, it seems to be more people and more of a problem, especially with two booths based on size.
It also seems to be slower since all of the badges have to be scanned, which means it takes more time for the people. If there was a "coupon" on the badge sheet, it could make the handout go faster instead of scanning the badge.
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I summarized some of the t-shirt size & material issues raised above in a blog post, and added links to what other conferences have found: https://plus.google.com/+DanKegel/posts/MQ841itYeBY Interested folks might comment there. (Maybe whoever handles t-shirts for scale could chime in there, too.) - Dan
Hi,
Sorry if you feel like people are treated like cattle at SCaLE, they are not, nor is it our intention.
It is critical that attendees know that a good solid expo exists, and that they visit it.
Sponsors(*) are why we are able to hold this event. We have to find good options which allow them to find good value for participating in SCaLE.
One of those options is ensuring that those interested in their offerings and/or job opportunities connect with those sponsors on the expo floor. Furthermore being on the show floor is also a branding opportunity for companies to show the community their support, and just having attendees notice their presence on the floor helps.
Having distribution of T-shirts helps increase the visibility the expo floor and those who are participating with booths ( both sponsored and community booths ). It helps us all by helping make the expo more active and increasing visibility of those participating in the expo. It helps the attendees see that we have a number of active community groups participating on the expo floor which have regular meetings and events which they are welcome to participate in.
There is a tremendous value on the expo floor for both the attendees and sponsors with booths. Also there are great opportunities if you run a local LUG / meetup to find potential presenters and facilities / food and drink sponsors as well as inviting more people to attend your group's events. It is also a great opportunity for LUGs and meetup groups to connect with each other and help support other community events ( such as Big Data Day LA, So Cal Code Camp ( LA and San Diego ), ISSA LA Summit, OWASP App Sec Cali, Drupal Camp LA, Hackaday events, L1, .. ) .
Thus increasing traffic and visibility of the expo is it not a waste of time, nor is it just nice -it is a CRITICAL INVESTMENT in the future of SCaLE and the community which we support.
Thank You
( * - Large companies and each person who purchases a ticket are sponsoring financially. Without larger sponsors the ticket prices would have to go up significantly, as well as policing efforts to minimize free riders. )
"While it is nice to encourage people to the expo floor, forcing them to go in order to get the shirt seems much like treating them like cattle. It is also wasting their time, which I personally think is unacceptable. Also, there is limited times in which the expo floor is open, which limits when people can go and it also means that a person who only makes it on Thursday does not get a shirt."
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
I summarized some of the t-shirt size & material issues raised above in a blog post, and added links to what other conferences have found: https://plus.google.com/+DanKegel/posts/MQ841itYeBY Interested folks might comment there. (Maybe whoever handles t-shirts for scale could chime in there, too.)
- Dan
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On Thursday 09 March 2017, Mx Siltanen wrote:
... Sorry if you feel like people are treated like cattle at SCaLE, they are not, nor is it our intention.
Please read what you said objectively. People will go to the expo if they want to. Forcing them to go in order to get shirt is a change. It is another line that they might have to stand in, as well there are LIMITED hours, which limits when a person can get the shirt.
If you want to ADD an item that they can get should they decide to go to the expo floor, that would be a different thing.
Having a person go to the expo floor ONLY to get shirt does not improve anything, does it?
... Having distribution of T-shirts helps increase the visibility the expo floor and those who are participating with booths ( both sponsored and community booths ). It helps us all by helping make the expo more active and increasing visibility of those participating in the expo. It helps the attendees see that we have a number of active community groups participating on the expo floor which have regular meetings and events which they are welcome to participate in.
Which they can do on their own.
There is a tremendous value on the expo floor for both the attendees and sponsors with booths. Also there are great opportunities if you run a local LUG / meetup to find potential presenters and facilities / food and drink sponsors as well as inviting more people to attend your group's events. It is also a great opportunity for LUGs and meetup groups to connect with each other and help support other community events ( such as Big Data Day LA, So Cal Code Camp ( LA and San Diego ), ISSA LA Summit, OWASP App Sec Cali, Drupal Camp LA, Hackaday events, L1, .. ) .
Quite true, but that has nothing to do with forcing a person to go if they want a shirt that had been given out at registration.
Perhaps you should consider having three different booths spread out, one to get the shirt, one to get the coffee cup and one to get the bag. That way people would see much more of the expo, right?
Thus increasing traffic and visibility of the expo is it not a waste of time, nor is it just nice -it is a CRITICAL INVESTMENT in the future of SCaLE and the community which we support.
When you force people to do so just to get a shirt it is. People will go if they want to. Give people an incentlve, but don't do so by taking away something that had previously been given out at registration, causing people to have to do something extra.
Perhaps you should ask attendees how they feel about it.
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
Perhaps you should ask attendees how they feel about it.
As an attendee, I liked how they did t-shirts this year.
In general, I'm really impressed with Scale's organization and how they've improved over the years. That track record means to me that we ought to cut the organizers a lot of slack. I'm sure they're interested in continuous improvement in this area, too, and are gathering data and experimenting as they go.
This thread has probably gone a bit over. Let's give the topic a rest for a bit. - Dan
FWIW here's my end-user experience with the shirts:
When I registered I asked the friendly booth folks where the shirt were, and they told me they'd be available on the expo floor.
When the expo opened I saw a line, but I noticed it was moving along well enough so I queued up.
Had some pleasant conversation with others in queue, but brief since it took less than two minutes to get to the front.
Once it was my turn, badge was scanned and shirt in hand in just a few seconds, including the extra time required to answer a question I had about sizes.
Total elapsed time for me: ~150 seconds.
TL;DR: I'm okay with the process used at SCaLE 15x.
Remember:
Picking up a T-shirt and other goodies is an optional and a nice addition to what we like to offer participants.
We try to have enough for people, however we have frequently run short, especially of more popular sizes in the past, and there have been years when we did not have t-shirts, or mugs, or other items.
Thank You
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
On Thursday 09 March 2017, Mx Siltanen wrote:
... Sorry if you feel like people are treated like cattle at SCaLE, they are not, nor is it our intention.
Please read what you said objectively. People will go to the expo if they want to. Forcing them to go in order to get shirt is a change. It is another line that they might have to stand in, as well there are LIMITED hours, which limits when a person can get the shirt.
If you want to ADD an item that they can get should they decide to go to the expo floor, that would be a different thing.
Having a person go to the expo floor ONLY to get shirt does not improve anything, does it?
... Having distribution of T-shirts helps increase the visibility the expo floor and those who are participating with booths ( both sponsored and community booths ). It helps us all by helping make the expo more active and increasing visibility of those participating in the expo. It helps
the
attendees see that we have a number of active community groups participating on the expo floor which have regular meetings and events which they are welcome to participate in.
Which they can do on their own.
There is a tremendous value on the expo floor for both the attendees and sponsors with booths. Also there are great opportunities if you run a
local
LUG / meetup to find potential presenters and facilities / food and drink sponsors as well as inviting more people to attend your group's events.
It
is also a great opportunity for LUGs and meetup groups to connect with
each
other and help support other community events ( such as Big Data Day LA,
So
Cal Code Camp ( LA and San Diego ), ISSA LA Summit, OWASP App Sec Cali, Drupal Camp LA, Hackaday events, L1, .. ) .
Quite true, but that has nothing to do with forcing a person to go if they want a shirt that had been given out at registration.
Perhaps you should consider having three different booths spread out, one to get the shirt, one to get the coffee cup and one to get the bag. That way people would see much more of the expo, right?
Thus increasing traffic and visibility of the expo is it not a waste of time, nor is it just nice -it is a CRITICAL INVESTMENT in the future of SCaLE and the community which we support.
When you force people to do so just to get a shirt it is. People will go if they want to. Give people an incentlve, but don't do so by taking away something that had previously been given out at registration, causing people to have to do something extra.
Perhaps you should ask attendees how they feel about it.
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On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Mx Siltanen mrsiltanen@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Sorry if you feel like people are treated like cattle at SCaLE, they are not, nor is it our intention.
Who said that? I missed that comment and would like to understand it better. Like you said, that's obviously not the intent, and if it feels like that, we need to change things.
It is critical that attendees know that a good solid expo exists, and that they visit it.
Yes, I think an important to make the "out of box experience" arriving at SCALE be as good as possible and to help people be aware of all that SCALE has to offer. A recurring theme I observed this year with people new to SCALE was that they weren't as aware of SCALE's offerings as one might hope.
Is it really that much slower to write "M2XL" vs making a chicken scratch on a sheet of paper? What if I pre-printed some sizes on the coupon and put checkboxes next to them?
I'd be scanning the same barcode as the one on the attendee badges, to verify it is a valid badge, and inputting the hand written size / checked box at the same time. Basically doing what we did this year, but deferring the actual scanning because some people insist that's what slows down the t-shirt pick up process.
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:12 PM, David Lang david@lang.hm wrote:
writing the size on lots of separate pieces of paper and then trying to scan them will be far slower than just keeping a tally on paper as they are handed out.
What would you be scanning? not the size they were given (that's hand-written). The only thing you could scan is identification of who got a shirt.
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 22:04:13 -0800 From: Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org Reply-To: SCALE Planning List scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org To: SCALE Planning List scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org Subject: Re: [Scale-planning] Did you like having SCALE t-shirt pick up on the expo floor?
Thanks for your observations. They make a lot of since.
For coupon vs badge scanning, I thought of a compromise - coupons with barcodes on them. Attendees just hand them in and we can write down the size on them. Someone, likely me, can scan them into the computer afterwards and detect abuse, if any, after the fact.
Based on my experience, scanning badges is pretty fast, but we can try coupons and see if that makes a difference.
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 4:48 AM, Nadia Morales tauntria@gmail.com wrote:
Good Morning All,
I helped hand out shirts in the evening on Sat. BTW thanks for having me! :) I enjoyed giving back and it was a lot of fun. Here is my feedback if it helps any.
Benefits of scanning
- Inventory control
- Double dipping prevention
Cons of scanning
- Time consuming
Benefits of using a coupon
- Provides faster tee pickup
- Decreased wait time
Cons of using a coupon
- No Inventory control
- No double dipping prevention ( people can just say I lost it )
An alternative to both: Just marking a big black X on the back of the badge with a sharpie. It’s fast, they can’t say they lost the coupon. Con: No inventory control, an alternative would need to be implemented.
List of my observations. The following led to increased tee shirt selection delay.
- Unable to decide on a size by the time the attendees approached the
table.
- Unable to easily view the size while standing in line. (tees were flat
on the table) Attendees had to wait till it was their turn to get a good look.
- No mirrors for the ladies. Most would never buy a dress without seeing
what it looks like. Same applies to tees for some women.
Proposed possible solutions to decrease wait time:
- Tack the tees on the wall kinda like a teeshirt shop. That way people
can see the sizes from a far and have an idea of what size they need by the time they get to the table.
- Small mirror for those like like to see the fit.
Additional comments: I saw somewhere down below someone commented on the material. I washed & dried it. I agree that softness is everything. The scale tee was (Gildan Heavy Cotton 100% cotton) The orange endless (Gildan Softstyle Ring Spun) was a lot softer I liked it better.
Nadia
On Mar 7, 2017, at 11:35 PM, Mx Siltanen mrsiltanen@gmail.com wrote:
"Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?"
Went well when I went with a friend.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We had 4 people there when the crowd came. During off peak hours, there were oftentimes only 1 or 2 people there.
Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
Are you sure about that? Since there were 4 people at the t-shirt booth and there were at least 2 at registration, that seems to me to be more than what is normally at registration when the shirts are given out there. Then when you add someone to play traffic cop to make the line go faster and less of a mess, including preventing those who don't realize that there is a line from upsetting those who have been waiting in line, it seems to be more people and more of a problem, especially with two booths based on size.
It also seems to be slower since all of the badges have to be scanned, which means it takes more time for the people. If there was a "coupon" on the badge sheet, it could make the handout go faster instead of scanning the badge.
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what is the purpose of scanning the badge? It's been stated that we don't track anything per user and aren't that worried about a few cheaters.
anything that requires handling lots of pieces of paper is going to be far less efficient than just having a couple of pieces of paper on a clipboard with people just adding a hashmark to the correct section when they hand out a shirt. (or as I said earlier, a trivial app could do this electronically)
I arrived late, so I didn't see the lines, but if people are worried about speeding up the lines, eliminating fighting scanners or fumbling with papers just slows things down.
If you are worried about preventing cheating, print a coupon and when the coupons are handed to the person giving out the shirt, they can just drop it in a different box depending on the size if you are willing to count all the scraps of paper.
but you shouldn't have to scan them later if we aren't correlating people to shirt sizes.
DAvid Lang
On Thu, 9 Mar 2017, Lei Zhang wrote:
Is it really that much slower to write "M2XL" vs making a chicken scratch on a sheet of paper? What if I pre-printed some sizes on the coupon and put checkboxes next to them?
I'd be scanning the same barcode as the one on the attendee badges, to verify it is a valid badge, and inputting the hand written size / checked box at the same time. Basically doing what we did this year, but deferring the actual scanning because some people insist that's what slows down the t-shirt pick up process.
Next year, everyone gets socks. Unisize... On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:45 PM Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
Is it really that much slower to write "M2XL" vs making a chicken scratch on a sheet of paper? What if I pre-printed some sizes on the coupon and put checkboxes next to them?
I'd be scanning the same barcode as the one on the attendee badges, to verify it is a valid badge, and inputting the hand written size / checked box at the same time. Basically doing what we did this year, but deferring the actual scanning because some people insist that's what slows down the t-shirt pick up process.
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:12 PM, David Lang david@lang.hm wrote:
writing the size on lots of separate pieces of paper and then trying to
scan
them will be far slower than just keeping a tally on paper as they are handed out.
What would you be scanning? not the size they were given (that's hand-written). The only thing you could scan is identification of who
got a
shirt.
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, Lei Zhang wrote:
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 22:04:13 -0800 From: Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org Reply-To: SCALE Planning List scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org To: SCALE Planning List scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org Subject: Re: [Scale-planning] Did you like having SCALE t-shirt pick up
on
the expo floor?
Thanks for your observations. They make a lot of since.
For coupon vs badge scanning, I thought of a compromise - coupons with barcodes on them. Attendees just hand them in and we can write down the size on them. Someone, likely me, can scan them into the computer afterwards and detect abuse, if any, after the fact.
Based on my experience, scanning badges is pretty fast, but we can try coupons and see if that makes a difference.
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 4:48 AM, Nadia Morales tauntria@gmail.com
wrote:
Good Morning All,
I helped hand out shirts in the evening on Sat. BTW thanks for having
me!
:) I enjoyed giving back and it was a lot of fun. Here is my feedback if
it
helps any.
Benefits of scanning
- Inventory control
- Double dipping prevention
Cons of scanning
- Time consuming
Benefits of using a coupon
- Provides faster tee pickup
- Decreased wait time
Cons of using a coupon
- No Inventory control
- No double dipping prevention ( people can just say I lost it )
An alternative to both: Just marking a big black X on the back of the badge with a sharpie. It’s fast, they can’t say they lost the coupon. Con: No inventory control, an alternative would need to be implemented.
List of my observations. The following led to increased tee shirt selection delay.
- Unable to decide on a size by the time the attendees approached the
table.
- Unable to easily view the size while standing in line. (tees were
flat
on the table) Attendees had to wait till it was their turn to get a good look.
- No mirrors for the ladies. Most would never buy a dress without
seeing
what it looks like. Same applies to tees for some women.
Proposed possible solutions to decrease wait time:
- Tack the tees on the wall kinda like a teeshirt shop. That way people
can see the sizes from a far and have an idea of what size they need by the time they get to the table.
- Small mirror for those like like to see the fit.
Additional comments: I saw somewhere down below someone commented on the material. I washed
&
dried it. I agree that softness is everything. The scale tee was
(Gildan
Heavy Cotton 100% cotton) The orange endless (Gildan Softstyle Ring
Spun)
was a lot softer I liked it better.
Nadia
On Mar 7, 2017, at 11:35 PM, Mx Siltanen mrsiltanen@gmail.com wrote:
"Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?"
Went well when I went with a friend.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We had 4 people there when the crowd came. During off peak hours, there were oftentimes only 1 or 2 people there.
Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
Are you sure about that? Since there were 4 people at the t-shirt booth and there were at least 2 at registration, that seems to me to be more than what is normally at registration when the shirts are given out there.
Then
when you add someone to play traffic cop to make the line go faster and less of a mess, including preventing those who don't realize that there is a line from upsetting those who have been waiting in line, it seems to be more people and more of a problem, especially with two booths based on size.
It also seems to be slower since all of the badges have to be
scanned,
which means it takes more time for the people. If there was a "coupon" on the badge sheet, it could make the handout go faster instead of scanning the badge.
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I would like to voice my protest to socks. As the proud owner of not one, but 2 size 16 feet, I have a feeling I would be left out in the cold.
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017, 9:04 PM Hriday Balachandran bala@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
Next year, everyone gets socks. Unisize... On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:45 PM Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
Is it really that much slower to write "M2XL" vs making a chicken scratch on a sheet of paper? What if I pre-printed some sizes on the coupon and put checkboxes next to them?
I'd be scanning the same barcode as the one on the attendee badges, to verify it is a valid badge, and inputting the hand written size / checked box at the same time. Basically doing what we did this year, but deferring the actual scanning because some people insist that's what slows down the t-shirt pick up process.
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:12 PM, David Lang david@lang.hm wrote:
writing the size on lots of separate pieces of paper and then trying to
scan
them will be far slower than just keeping a tally on paper as they are handed out.
What would you be scanning? not the size they were given (that's hand-written). The only thing you could scan is identification of who
got a
shirt.
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, Lei Zhang wrote:
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 22:04:13 -0800 From: Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org Reply-To: SCALE Planning List scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org To: SCALE Planning List scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org Subject: Re: [Scale-planning] Did you like having SCALE t-shirt pick up
on
the expo floor?
Thanks for your observations. They make a lot of since.
For coupon vs badge scanning, I thought of a compromise - coupons with barcodes on them. Attendees just hand them in and we can write down the size on them. Someone, likely me, can scan them into the computer afterwards and detect abuse, if any, after the fact.
Based on my experience, scanning badges is pretty fast, but we can try coupons and see if that makes a difference.
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 4:48 AM, Nadia Morales tauntria@gmail.com
wrote:
Good Morning All,
I helped hand out shirts in the evening on Sat. BTW thanks for having
me!
:) I enjoyed giving back and it was a lot of fun. Here is my feedback if
it
helps any.
Benefits of scanning
- Inventory control
- Double dipping prevention
Cons of scanning
- Time consuming
Benefits of using a coupon
- Provides faster tee pickup
- Decreased wait time
Cons of using a coupon
- No Inventory control
- No double dipping prevention ( people can just say I lost it )
An alternative to both: Just marking a big black X on the back of the badge with a sharpie. It’s fast, they can’t say they lost the coupon. Con: No inventory control, an alternative would need to be implemented.
List of my observations. The following led to increased tee shirt selection delay.
- Unable to decide on a size by the time the attendees approached the
table.
- Unable to easily view the size while standing in line. (tees were
flat
on the table) Attendees had to wait till it was their turn to get a good look.
- No mirrors for the ladies. Most would never buy a dress without
seeing
what it looks like. Same applies to tees for some women.
Proposed possible solutions to decrease wait time:
- Tack the tees on the wall kinda like a teeshirt shop. That way people
can see the sizes from a far and have an idea of what size they need by the time they get to the table.
- Small mirror for those like like to see the fit.
Additional comments: I saw somewhere down below someone commented on the material. I washed
&
dried it. I agree that softness is everything. The scale tee was
(Gildan
Heavy Cotton 100% cotton) The orange endless (Gildan Softstyle Ring
Spun)
was a lot softer I liked it better.
Nadia
On Mar 7, 2017, at 11:35 PM, Mx Siltanen mrsiltanen@gmail.com wrote:
"Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?"
Went well when I went with a friend.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We had 4 people there when the crowd came. During off peak hours, there were oftentimes only 1 or 2 people there.
Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
Are you sure about that? Since there were 4 people at the t-shirt booth and there were at least 2 at registration, that seems to me to be more than what is normally at registration when the shirts are given out there.
Then
when you add someone to play traffic cop to make the line go faster and less of a mess, including preventing those who don't realize that there is a line from upsetting those who have been waiting in line, it seems to be more people and more of a problem, especially with two booths based on size.
It also seems to be slower since all of the badges have to be
scanned,
which means it takes more time for the people. If there was a "coupon" on the badge sheet, it could make the handout go faster instead of scanning the badge.
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On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Hriday Balachandran bala@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
Next year, everyone gets socks. Unisize...
Socks? Luxury!
:-)
It was slow when I first used it. After sometime I learned to look for the green dots at the 4 edges of the QR code and the rough distance between the scanner and the badge, then it was faster.
Anthony.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We had 4 people there when the crowd came. During off peak hours, there were oftentimes only 1 or 2 people there.
Did anyone actually find the badge scanning to be slow?
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
Are you sure about that? Since there were 4 people at the t-shirt booth
and
there were at least 2 at registration, that seems to me to be more than
what
is normally at registration when the shirts are given out there. Then
when
you add someone to play traffic cop to make the line go faster and less
of a
mess, including preventing those who don't realize that there is a line
from
upsetting those who have been waiting in line, it seems to be more
people and
more of a problem, especially with two booths based on size.
It also seems to be slower since all of the badges have to be scanned,
which
means it takes more time for the people. If there was a "coupon" on the
badge
sheet, it could make the handout go faster instead of scanning the badge.
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You are right. The t-shirt booths are not listed in the program and they are not listed on the website either.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Everett Batey efbatey@gmail.com wrote:
Program map, needed Booths 231 and 330 included. Maybe registration table signage pointing to T-Shirt booth(s) number(s) will help.
In addition, a last minute, as-is booth map will help vectoring attendees, and, mapping the cabling, switches and access points. E.g. attached map.
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On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
As a very typical and not very attentive attendee:
It was not very discoverable. You have to assume that nobody reads anything but what's in very large print on large signs and/or T-shirts (the wifi password t-shirt was genius).
I only discovered the t-shirts by overhearing it.
Once I knew they were on the show floor, it was fine, I found mine and got it no problem.
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This year we moved SCALE t-shirt pick up from registration to a booth in the corner of the expo floor. Did this make registration less chaotic? Was the t-shirt booth too hard to find? Is the change a net improvement from past years?
Did you see the mess of a line? As well some did not realize nor expect a line. I suspect that overall it would take a lot more people. Also, there were two booths, based on size, which means that some waited in line only to be told to go to the other booth.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
Did you see the mess of a line? As well some did not realize nor expect a line. I suspect that overall it would take a lot more people.
Maybe the badges could have varying suggested pickup times...?
When I went (after noon Friday or Saturday?), there was only one guy ahead of me, and I had my shirt in 60 seconds. - Dan
We can try that out next year too. Maybe over time, as we do a better job of ordering the right number of shirts in the right sizes, attendees will figure out there is no scarcity of SCALE shirts.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
Maybe the badges could have varying suggested pickup times...?
When I went (after noon Friday or Saturday?), there was only one guy ahead of me, and I had my shirt in 60 seconds.
Do you guys ask about t-shirt size as part of the registration process? If you end up dedicating a badge card to advertise t-shirt pickup, you can print out their size on the card and have them trade it for a t-shirt. Then you don't have to do any scanning and there are less bottlenecks for t-shirt distribution.
Lan
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We can try that out next year too. Maybe over time, as we do a better job of ordering the right number of shirts in the right sizes, attendees will figure out there is no scarcity of SCALE shirts.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
Maybe the badges could have varying suggested pickup times...?
When I went (after noon Friday or Saturday?), there was only one guy ahead of me, and I had my shirt in 60 seconds.
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We do collect t-shirt size data during registration, but only for attendees who register themselves. Many people are bulk registered. e.g. most SCALE staff and teachers bringing large groups of students.
We only use the data to improve the shirt ordering process. At t-shirt pick up, we input the size actually requested into the scanner as another point of data collection. The two sizes can differ because shirts can run big/small, and attendees' physical stature can change too. Many people hold up the shirt they think they want and then change their minds. We don't want a badge card to lock them into a certain size, or make them run back to registration to fix their badge cards.
The other reason we scan the badges is to check who has picked up a shirt already. Unlike space in a ballroom for a not-too-popular talk, shirts are a limited resource and we know they are popular. If we trade badge cards for shirts without scanning, we then have to worry about counterfeit cards. We don't worry about counterfeit badges when scanning because the barcodes can be verified.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Lan Dang ldangmlist@gmail.com wrote:
Do you guys ask about t-shirt size as part of the registration process? If you end up dedicating a badge card to advertise t-shirt pickup, you can print out their size on the card and have them trade it for a t-shirt. Then you don't have to do any scanning and there are less bottlenecks for t-shirt distribution.
Lan
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We can try that out next year too. Maybe over time, as we do a better job of ordering the right number of shirts in the right sizes, attendees will figure out there is no scarcity of SCALE shirts.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
Maybe the badges could have varying suggested pickup times...?
When I went (after noon Friday or Saturday?), there was only one guy ahead of me, and I had my shirt in 60 seconds.
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Cool. I've added t-shirt size to my volunteer signup form so I can pass that info to you, too, for bulk registration. It also makes life easier on me when I have to figure out how many A/V t-shirts to order.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Lei Zhang leiz@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We do collect t-shirt size data during registration, but only for attendees who register themselves. Many people are bulk registered. e.g. most SCALE staff and teachers bringing large groups of students.
We only use the data to improve the shirt ordering process. At t-shirt pick up, we input the size actually requested into the scanner as another point of data collection. The two sizes can differ because shirts can run big/small, and attendees' physical stature can change too. Many people hold up the shirt they think they want and then change their minds. We don't want a badge card to lock them into a certain size, or make them run back to registration to fix their badge cards.
The other reason we scan the badges is to check who has picked up a shirt already. Unlike space in a ballroom for a not-too-popular talk, shirts are a limited resource and we know they are popular. If we trade badge cards for shirts without scanning, we then have to worry about counterfeit cards. We don't worry about counterfeit badges when scanning because the barcodes can be verified.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Lan Dang ldangmlist@gmail.com wrote:
Do you guys ask about t-shirt size as part of the registration process?
If
you end up dedicating a badge card to advertise t-shirt pickup, you can print out their size on the card and have them trade it for a t-shirt.
Then
you don't have to do any scanning and there are less bottlenecks for
t-shirt
distribution.
Lan
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wrote:
We can try that out next year too. Maybe over time, as we do a better job of ordering the right number of shirts in the right sizes, attendees will figure out there is no scarcity of SCALE shirts.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
Maybe the badges could have varying suggested pickup times...?
When I went (after noon Friday or Saturday?), there was only one guy ahead of me, and I had my shirt in 60 seconds.
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i guess i am the only person who isn't sold on the idea of the t-shirt pick up in the expo hall. at first i thought it was a great idea, but then last night it seemed a lot of shirts went to waste. do we know how many people didn't pick one up? maybe by the time people cross the expo hall, they already have so many shirts, they don't need one of ours.
i remember previous years when people were begging for leftover shirts on sunday, in any crazy size.
...lori
We over ordered on shirts. We would have had extra shirts regardless of where pick up was. We'll adjust our orders for next year.
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On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Lori Barfield itdirector@gmail.com wrote:
i guess i am the only person who isn't sold on the idea of the t-shirt pick up in the expo hall. at first i thought it was a great idea, but then last night it seemed a lot of shirts went to waste. do we know how many people didn't pick one up? maybe by the time people cross the expo hall, they already have so many shirts, they don't need one of ours.
i remember previous years when people were begging for leftover shirts on sunday, in any crazy size.
...lori
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The pick up rate was 66% this year vs 85% last year. With the shirts at registration, it was hard to miss and they were available any time registration was open. With the shirts in the exhibit hall, that limited the times when one can pick up a shirt. e.g. Shirts were not distributed on Thursday.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:04 PM, Ilan Rabinovitch ilan@socallinuxexpo.org wrote:
We over ordered on shirts. We would have had extra shirts regardless of where pick up was. We'll adjust our orders for next year.
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On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Lori Barfield itdirector@gmail.com wrote:
i guess i am the only person who isn't sold on the idea of the t-shirt pick up in the expo hall. at first i thought it was a great idea, but then last night it seemed a lot of shirts went to waste. do we know how many people didn't pick one up? maybe by the time people cross the expo hall, they already have so many shirts, they don't need one of ours.
i remember previous years when people were begging for leftover shirts on sunday, in any crazy size.
...lori
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On Monday 06 March 2017, Lei Zhang wrote:
The pick up rate was 66% this year vs 85% last year. With the shirts at registration, it was hard to miss and they were available any time registration was open. With the shirts in the exhibit hall, that limited the times when one can pick up a shirt. e.g. Shirts were not distributed on Thursday.
Some did not pick up the t-shirts due to the line being too long at the time they went by. I am not sure if they came back again.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
Some did not pick up the t-shirts due to the line being too long at the time they went by. I am not sure if they came back again.
The same line has existed at reg in the past. Busy hours mean things take longer. All we're doing is moving the location of the line.
On Tuesday 07 March 2017, Ilan Rabinovitch wrote:
... The same line has existed at reg in the past. Busy hours mean things take longer. All we're doing is moving the location of the line.
Not quite, you are adding the scanning of the badge, which is an added step which takes longer, as well there were runners in registration for getting the shirts for the front desk and could get any size, so there are other changes as well which can have an impact.
I think that this says something as well:
On Monday 06 March 2017, Lei Zhang wrote:
The pick up rate was 66% this year vs 85% last year.
How many people did not know that they had to go another place to get a shirt and how many did not get one because they did not want to wait in another line? Some might think that shirts were not given out this year for some unknown reason. None of this is likely to be a positive thing.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
Not quite, you are adding the scanning of the badge, which is an added step which takes longer, as well there were runners in registration for getting the shirts for the front desk and could get any size, so there are other changes as well which can have an impact
The scanning did occur at registration last year as well, and would continue if we move shirts back to registration.
Ilan
On Tuesday 07 March 2017, Ilan Rabinovitch wrote:
... The scanning did occur at registration last year as well, and would continue if we move shirts back to registration.
I am a bit confused, especially when considering the Expo thread.
Why do the badges need to be scanned for the shirts?
It makes the process take longer. People are to be trusted to not abuse the Expo pass. which involves more money, yet it is said that the badge needs to be scanned for the shirts to ensure that people don't take more than one shirt, well, at least until before Noon on Sunday when they can take as many as they want as we don't want to store them or give them out in later years or other such uses.
The scanning of the badges for the shirts was not done until after Scale 13x. What changed to no longer trust people with respect to the shirts by adding this additional security step?
Are the badges scanned to ensure that people don't take more than one bag or coffee cup?
It's not about trust. The badge scanning also give us an indication about the reserves when it comes to sizes. We order shirts for the next year based on that.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
On Tuesday 07 March 2017, Ilan Rabinovitch wrote:
... The scanning did occur at registration last year as well, and would continue if we move shirts back to registration.
I am a bit confused, especially when considering the Expo thread.
Why do the badges need to be scanned for the shirts?
It makes the process take longer. People are to be trusted to not abuse the Expo pass. which involves more money, yet it is said that the badge needs to be scanned for the shirts to ensure that people don't take more than one shirt, well, at least until before Noon on Sunday when they can take as many as they want as we don't want to store them or give them out in later years or other such uses.
The scanning of the badges for the shirts was not done until after Scale 13x. What changed to no longer trust people with respect to the shirts by adding this additional security step?
Are the badges scanned to ensure that people don't take more than one bag or coffee cup?
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On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Ken wrote:
On Tuesday 07 March 2017, Ilan Rabinovitch wrote:
... The scanning did occur at registration last year as well, and would continue if we move shirts back to registration.
I am a bit confused, especially when considering the Expo thread.
Why do the badges need to be scanned for the shirts?
It makes the process take longer. People are to be trusted to not abuse the Expo pass. which involves more money,
the expo pass thing doesn't require that scale make any additional outlay if someone is abusing it. It costs potential revenue (but see all the discussions on online piracy about how potential revenue != lost money), but unless the room is full so that paid attendees aren't able to get it, it doesn't directly hurt anyone
shirts require cash outlay by scale.
David Lang
yet it is said that the badge needs to be scanned for the shirts to ensure that people don't take more than one shirt, well, at least until before Noon on Sunday when they can take as many as they want as we don't want to store them or give them out in later years or other such uses.
The scanning of the badges for the shirts was not done until after Scale 13x. What changed to no longer trust people with respect to the shirts by adding this additional security step?
Are the badges scanned to ensure that people don't take more than one bag or coffee cup?
On Tuesday 07 March 2017, David Lang wrote:
... the expo pass thing doesn't require that scale make any additional outlay if someone is abusing it. It costs potential revenue (but see all the discussions on online piracy about how potential revenue != lost money), but unless the room is full so that paid attendees aren't able to get it, it doesn't directly hurt anyone
It costs Scale money as a reduction in income. Also if a person sees a person with an Expo badge and nothing is being done about it, they might have an issue with it and do the same in the future. The cost is based on the paying people, so if people steal, it costs all those who pay.
The fact is that it is unknown how much it is actually costing since it is unknown how many get an Expo only badge and go to all the talks since it is not being tracked at all.
shirts require cash outlay by scale.
Yet they want to get rid of the excess and were encouraging people to take as many as they wanted on Sunday. Remember that the percentage of those who got shirts went down by 19% this year.
Is the extra effort and wasted time of the attendees really worth it?
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Ken wrote:
... the expo pass thing doesn't require that scale make any additional outlay if someone is abusing it. It costs potential revenue (but see all the discussions on online piracy about how potential revenue != lost money), but unless the room is full so that paid attendees aren't able to get it, it doesn't directly hurt anyone
It costs Scale money as a reduction in income.
only if you make the (false) assumption that every person would have paid full price. This is RIAA logic and has been shown to be false many times over.
Ilan put it best on this topic.
David Lang
Also if a person sees a person with an Expo badge and nothing is being done about it, they might have an issue with it and do the same in the future. The cost is based on the paying people, so if people steal, it costs all those who pay.
The fact is that it is unknown how much it is actually costing since it is unknown how many get an Expo only badge and go to all the talks since it is not being tracked at all.
shirts require cash outlay by scale.
Yet they want to get rid of the excess and were encouraging people to take as many as they wanted on Sunday. Remember that the percentage of those who got shirts went down by 19% this year.
Is the extra effort and wasted time of the attendees really worth it?
On 03/07/2017 04:05 PM, Ken wrote:
On Tuesday 07 March 2017, David Lang wrote:
shirts require cash outlay by scale.
Yet they want to get rid of the excess and were encouraging people to take as many as they wanted on Sunday. Remember that the percentage of those who got shirts went down by 19% this year.
Is the extra effort and wasted time of the attendees really worth it?
Probably, because greater accuracy of data used for ordering results in reduced overage?
Regards, Nathan
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Nathan Haines nathan@nhaines.com wrote:
Probably, because greater accuracy of data used for ordering results in reduced overage?
Bingo.
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Nathan Haines wrote:
On 03/07/2017 04:05 PM, Ken wrote:
On Tuesday 07 March 2017, David Lang wrote:
Is the extra effort and wasted time of the attendees really worth it?
Probably, because greater accuracy of data used for ordering results in reduced overage?
could you get 'accurate enough' numbers by not scanning each badge and just counting the leftovers on sunday (or saturday night)?
or do you add the shirt size to a database to match up with preregistation for the next year?
David Lang
Counting tee's is not practical. Have you tried counting the number of tee's from a box and sorting out the sizes? It's labour intensive. And on Sunday afternoon, we'd much rather have people help with tear down than count tee's.
We don't do db lookups. Honestly, most people don't fill that field in. Or do, and not necessarily pick that size up.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 5:39 PM, David Lang david@lang.hm wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Nathan Haines wrote:
On 03/07/2017 04:05 PM, Ken wrote:
On Tuesday 07 March 2017, David Lang wrote:
Is the extra effort and wasted time of the attendees really worth it?
Probably, because greater accuracy of data used for ordering results in reduced overage?
could you get 'accurate enough' numbers by not scanning each badge and just counting the leftovers on sunday (or saturday night)?
or do you add the shirt size to a database to match up with preregistation for the next year?
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In that case, you don't need to scan the badges, just keep a tally of how many of which sizes are picked up. That would speed the process.
David Lang
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Hriday Balachandran wrote:
Counting tee's is not practical. Have you tried counting the number of tee's from a box and sorting out the sizes? It's labour intensive. And on Sunday afternoon, we'd much rather have people help with tear down than count tee's.
We don't do db lookups. Honestly, most people don't fill that field in. Or do, and not necessarily pick that size up.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 5:39 PM, David Lang david@lang.hm wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Nathan Haines wrote:
On 03/07/2017 04:05 PM, Ken wrote:
On Tuesday 07 March 2017, David Lang wrote:
Is the extra effort and wasted time of the attendees really worth it?
Probably, because greater accuracy of data used for ordering results in reduced overage?
could you get 'accurate enough' numbers by not scanning each badge and just counting the leftovers on sunday (or saturday night)?
or do you add the shirt size to a database to match up with preregistation for the next year?
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How? There's more than one person handing them out.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 5:47 PM, David Lang david@lang.hm wrote:
In that case, you don't need to scan the badges, just keep a tally of how many of which sizes are picked up. That would speed the process.
David Lang
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Hriday Balachandran wrote:
Counting tee's is not practical. Have you tried counting the number of tee's from a box and sorting out the sizes? It's labour intensive. And on Sunday afternoon, we'd much rather have people help with tear down than count tee's.
We don't do db lookups. Honestly, most people don't fill that field in. Or do, and not necessarily pick that size up.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 5:39 PM, David Lang david@lang.hm wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Nathan Haines wrote:
On 03/07/2017 04:05 PM, Ken wrote:
On Tuesday 07 March 2017, David Lang wrote:
Is the extra effort and wasted time of the attendees really worth it?
Probably, because greater accuracy of data used for ordering results in reduced overage?
could you get 'accurate enough' numbers by not scanning each badge and just counting the leftovers on sunday (or saturday night)?
or do you add the shirt size to a database to match up with preregistation for the next year?
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each person keeps a tally of what they hand out, and then combine them at the end of the show.
this could easily be done with a phone app (big button for each size that vibrates the phone when pressed, small buttons to undo a count in case of error)
or you could just do hash marks on paper.
David Lang
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Hriday Balachandran wrote:
How? There's more than one person handing them out.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 5:47 PM, David Lang david@lang.hm wrote:
In that case, you don't need to scan the badges, just keep a tally of how many of which sizes are picked up. That would speed the process.
David Lang
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Hriday Balachandran wrote:
Counting tee's is not practical. Have you tried counting the number of tee's from a box and sorting out the sizes? It's labour intensive. And on Sunday afternoon, we'd much rather have people help with tear down than count tee's.
We don't do db lookups. Honestly, most people don't fill that field in. Or do, and not necessarily pick that size up.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 5:39 PM, David Lang david@lang.hm wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Nathan Haines wrote:
On 03/07/2017 04:05 PM, Ken wrote:
On Tuesday 07 March 2017, David Lang wrote:
Is the extra effort and wasted time of the attendees really worth it?
Probably, because greater accuracy of data used for ordering results in reduced overage?
could you get 'accurate enough' numbers by not scanning each badge and just counting the leftovers on sunday (or saturday night)?
or do you add the shirt size to a database to match up with preregistation for the next year?
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On Tuesday 07 March 2017, Hriday Balachandran wrote:
How? There's more than one person handing them out.
A piece of paper and a pencil to mark down what they gave out. You could also have a cell phone app which counts for you. Scanning the badge is not really needed and takes longer, especially if it does not read instantly.
Thanks to everyone for the feedback. We have a lot of ideas and suggestions here. The scanners weren't a decision made lightly, but the reg team will take this all into account when they plan for 2018. For now I think we have the feedback we were looking for when Lei started the thread.
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
On Tuesday 07 March 2017, Nathan Haines wrote:
Probably, because greater accuracy of data used for ordering results in reduced overage?
A piece of paper to tally what is given out would be much quicker.
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I think people were discouraged by the long line just to get the t-shirt. I guess it depends on the goal for having the shirts ... Are they a gift as part of everyone's registration, or an optional "swag" available if people want them? I do think putting the shirts in the front of the expo hall would have increased visibility. But I still prefer having them available at registration. My 2¢...
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On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Lori Barfield itdirector@gmail.com wrote:
i guess i am the only person who isn't sold on the idea of the t-shirt pick up in the expo hall. at first i thought it was a great idea, but then last night it seemed a lot of shirts went to waste. do we know how many people didn't pick one up? maybe by the time people cross the expo hall, they already have so many shirts, they don't need one of ours.
i remember previous years when people were begging for leftover shirts on sunday, in any crazy size.
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Line was significant on the first day ( Fri ) after the expo opened, On Sat it during the times I stopped by it was very short.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Marina King marinaking@gmail.com wrote:
I think people were discouraged by the long line just to get the t-shirt. I guess it depends on the goal for having the shirts ... Are they a gift as part of everyone's registration, or an optional "swag" available if people want them? I do think putting the shirts in the front of the expo hall would have increased visibility. But I still prefer having them available at registration. My 2¢...
Marina
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Lori Barfield itdirector@gmail.com wrote:
i guess i am the only person who isn't sold on the idea of the t-shirt pick up in the expo hall. at first i thought it was a great idea, but then last night it seemed a lot of shirts went to waste. do we know how many people didn't pick one up? maybe by the time people cross the expo hall, they already have so many shirts, they don't need one of ours.
i remember previous years when people were begging for leftover shirts on sunday, in any crazy size.
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Hello,
Actually, after 3ish (4ish ?) on Friday, there really was no more line. I think a sign saying to pick up in Expo hall at any time at the registration, or bag pickup area would have helped.
Steve
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Mx Siltanen mrsiltanen@gmail.com wrote:
Line was significant on the first day ( Fri ) after the expo opened, On Sat it during the times I stopped by it was very short.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Marina King marinaking@gmail.com wrote:
I think people were discouraged by the long line just to get the t-shirt. I guess it depends on the goal for having the shirts ... Are they a gift as part of everyone's registration, or an optional "swag" available if people want them? I do think putting the shirts in the front of the expo hall would have increased visibility. But I still prefer having them available at registration. My 2¢...
Marina
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Lori Barfield itdirector@gmail.com wrote:
i guess i am the only person who isn't sold on the idea of the t-shirt pick up in the expo hall. at first i thought it was a great idea, but then last night it seemed a lot of shirts went to waste. do we know how many people didn't pick one up? maybe by the time people cross the expo hall, they already have so many shirts, they don't need one of ours.
i remember previous years when people were begging for leftover shirts on sunday, in any crazy size.
...lori
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tangentially: I didn't check what material the t-shirts were made of, but I am a recent convert to tri-blend (50% Polyester / 25% Cotton / 25% Rayon). Softness is everything.
I like the t shirts in the back idea, it was nice to have a treasure hunt at the expo hall to get them, it was a pleasant surprise, there were two tables, to get the shirts by size, smaller sizes at one table, larger sizes at the other, it would be great to have seen on signage which table had which size or size range or line by size if that is realistic. We need more surprise swag, it should be part of the Adventure at SCALE. Robert
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I liked the t-shirts being that far back into the hall it promoted foot traffic. I did ask to find out where to pick them up, but like others have said an obvious sign at the registration area would have helped since everyone goes through there for a badge.
From the perspective of volunteering at booths in the past it is helpful to
be near a "hot" area, so putting it that far back has appeal for the booths there.
Great idea, I hope it's done next year too
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tangentially: I didn't check what material the t-shirts were made of, but I am a recent convert to tri-blend (50% Polyester / 25% Cotton / 25% Rayon). Softness is everything. _______________________________________________ Scale-planning mailing list Scale-planning@lists.linuxfests.org https://lists.linuxfests.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/scale-planning
100% cotton.
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T shirts inside the exhibits initially caused me some concern, as to why it was done. As I walked to the booth, I realized the booth was at the back, kitty corner to the entrance. I thought someone thought it a good idea to try to get attendees to walk as far as possible, by as many booths as possible, to get their T shirt. For attendees not going to the exhibits, just talks, having to walk so far, ... Also, new attendees might not have been aware they had a free tshirt coming to them. --- Let's "reward" those who arrive early. Have a 'limited' supply at the registration desk each morning. It could be a published incentive? Just a crazy thought. Also, instead of using booth space, near the entrance, for T shirts, which would reduce sponsor presence, a bad thing, perhaps having "another" supply of T shirts, a third location, tables just inside the entrance, again with a limited supply, just for those who come early to the exhibit hall. Do all these extra places need more volunteers? Not really. Why? As the supply empties at each place, front desk, inside the exhibit hall, the volunteers at that location go to the place with the largest supply. So, the rear booth has just 2 volunteers, until the front desk volunteers run out of shirts, and move to the booth. Ditto the exhibit entrance table. More thoughts. ---- I thought not having the T shirts at the front, eased the lines at the front, made it a pleasant experience, not having to wait in a crowd, a long line behind you, push your way out when you have your shirt. Also, I've had to hand out shirts before. The booths were more organized I thought. My size was rapidly found. More space was available to ease volunteers with stacks of boxes. I thought that was a good idea. Peter
1) Having the t-shirts in the expo hall was a great idea - definitely agree here. We should continue to do this.
2) Having people hunt around the expo floor for t-shirts imho is a good thing, they will hopefully see booths they will want to visit in the process of hunting. ( I would have personally liked to have spent more time on the expo floor myself but found it a challenge between sessions. )
3) Could we do a better job about splitting the line between the sizes.. yes.
4) Suggest making certain there are interesting booths and/or signage promoting various SCaLe activities which people can read while standing in line waiting to pick up shirts.
Thank You
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
On Monday 06 March 2017, Lei Zhang wrote:
This year we moved SCALE t-shirt pick up from registration to a booth in the corner of the expo floor. Did this make registration less chaotic? Was the t-shirt booth too hard to find? Is the change a net improvement from past years?
Did you see the mess of a line? As well some did not realize nor expect a line. I suspect that overall it would take a lot more people. Also, there were two booths, based on size, which means that some waited in line only to be told to go to the other booth.
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Two booths side-by-side with better signage on which booth had which size would have helped.
How was the line on Friday at 2 PM when the expo floor first opened? Aside from being redirected to a different booth, how long did it take to get a shirt during the rush?
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Ken scalezz@kemasa.com wrote:
On Monday 06 March 2017, Lei Zhang wrote:
This year we moved SCALE t-shirt pick up from registration to a booth in the corner of the expo floor. Did this make registration less chaotic? Was the t-shirt booth too hard to find? Is the change a net improvement from past years?
Did you see the mess of a line? As well some did not realize nor expect a line. I suspect that overall it would take a lot more people. Also, there were two booths, based on size, which means that some waited in line only to be told to go to the other booth.
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K.
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